Breakdown of Midnight's Edge Roundtable About Alex Kurtzman

[Alan Roi]

I'm reminded of the line from Terry Pratchett's The Truth: "A lie can run around the world before the truth has got its boots on."

"I know that quote. It was invented in Russia" - Pavel Checkov

 

[Disco!Disco!]

This thread is more clicks than ME deserves.

This thread alone is taking up more bandwidth than Midnight's Edge deserves.

I see discussions like these as potentially inoculating people against the BS.

 

[Campe]

It’s remarkable how credulous people are when the rumour they read supports their view (ie it makes Discovery look bad, so it must be true!).

We believe what we want to believe. The echo chamber doesn't help matters.

 

[Lord Garth]

I see discussions like these as potentially inoculating people against the BS.

And sadly we're now reaching a point where we have an entire generation of people who grew up or came of age with these types of YouTube Videos. Which makes it even more necessary.

 

[Campe]

And sadly we're now reaching a point where we have an entire generation of people who grew up or came of age with these types of YouTube Videos. Which makes it even more necessary.

I liked YouTube a lot better when it was just cat videos.

 

[fireproof78]

And sadly we're now reaching a point where we have an entire generation of people who grew up or came of age with these types of YouTube Videos. Which makes it even more necessary.

The scarier part is how quickly that information is absorbed and believed rather than challenged.

 

[Noname Given]

Fans tend to have rose-colored glasses and live in a bubble. How many here were swearing up and down there would be a 4th Kelvin movie up to the last gasp? Disaffected fandom can be a useful counterweight for that.

Yeah, it's dead....oh, wait...
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/...gW6OeQ5voXgus6k3zmfytpfrMJ-8vo5Z0g7VE_na_f8SU

Mr. Godfrey’s coming film lineup emphasizes big-budget, global-audience movies, known in Hollywood as tentpoles. A long-gestating “Top Gun” sequel is finally happening. Mr. Godfrey is working to breathe life into the tired “Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles,” “Terminator,” “Star Trek” and “G.I. Joe” franchises. Paramount also has high hopes for films tied to Viacom’s cable networks, including “Dora the Explorer,” a live-action, big-screen adaptation of the Nickelodeon cartoon.

Whatever its box-office viability, though, such fare doesn’t quite scream “stand the test of time.”

But Mr. Godfrey insisted otherwise. Imagine, for instance, Paramount giving “Star Trek” to Quentin Tarantino. “Suddenly people’s eyes light up,” Mr. Godfrey said. “Yours just did.”

He also pointed out that “Mission: Impossible — Fallout,” released by Paramount in August, had proved naysayers wrong. That film, the sixth chapter in a 23-year-old series, received euphoric reviews and generated $791 million in global ticket sales, 16 percent more than its franchise predecessor. Two more “Mission: Impossible” installments starring Tom Cruise are moving ahead.

 

[Lord Garth]

I liked YouTube a lot better when it was just cat videos.

I'll use it to promote local or independent stuff (like a haunted house or a band) but that's it. I stay small-time and try to give people some exposure. Nothing mainstream and I've never made a penny off of it.

 

[Campe]

I'll use it to promote local or independent stuff (like a haunted house or a band) but that's it. I stay small-time and try to give people some exposure. Nothing mainstream and I've never made a penny off of it.

I watch Colbert’s monologue. That’s about it.

 

[Awesome Possum]

I didn't click on it, but they're still showing up as recommendations to me on YouTube. I need to find some good laundry detergent to bleach out the recommendations with.

Which brings me to something else. Whenever I see someone say "Every video I see is mixed-to-negative!", I have to wonder if that's only because those videos are the ones that are being recommended to them. "If you like this video, try that video!" Social Media and YouTube feeds directly into giving people more of what they want to see. So then they have this distorted view of, "See? Most people agree with me!" And because they agree, they're more apt to believe it. It's like confirmation bias but taken to a whole other level because all someone will ever see recommended to them is confirmation bias that reinforces whatever it is they think.

The YouTube algorithm is shit, it basically recommends videos based on the subject instead of the content. So if you were to watch videos about the dangers of the alt-right, it will also recommend videos that support the alt-right. I’ve seen some recommended that were essentially pro-Nazi.

 

[Mudd]

Yes, television has gotten more intricate and deeper since the 1960s. No, the makers don't seem to be taking advantage of it ...

I didn't look at the wretched video,* but as a point on its own this is not new, and it's certainly true.

Fuller may have had a plan to do modern storytelling along the lines of current "prestige drama" but it was clearly jettisoned by the end of the two-hour pilot. The rest of season one was an improvised, superficial and arbitrary mess, and Kurtzman is just as clearly in full retrenchment mode this year - just determined to produce reassuring, "yes, this is Star Trek after all" comfort TV.

*It's Midnight's Edge, that's how I know it's wretched without having watched it Thankyouverymuch.

 

[Tuskin38]

When ever people here who dislike DSC call Midnight’s edge bad, you know there is something up.

 

[Blamo]

The scarier part is how quickly that information is absorbed and believed rather than challenged.

It does make you wonder.

I mean, part of it is because people like to have what they believe "confirmed". However I get this terrifying feeling that for people who have never not known youtube, youtube celebs are their Bob Woodward.

They aren't professionals or intellectuals, they're "just like them" and therefore more trustworthy in their eyes. Personally I'd put most VLOGgers below some of the worst tabloids in the UK when it comes to journalism, which is saying something.

 

[MakeshiftPython]

When ever people here who dislike DSC call Midnight’s edge bad, you know there is something up.

It's more than just DISCO bashing. Midnight's Edge also bashes Kelvin Trek, even made one big celebratory video about the shelving of Trek 4. It's probably the happiest Doomcock ever sounded.

 

[Campe]

It's more than just DISCO bashing. Midnight's Edge also bashes Kelvin Trek, even made one big celebratory video about the shelving of Trek 4. It's probably the happiest Doomcock ever sounded.

Doomcock is on ME?

(It really bugs me that I had to type the word "Doomcock." )

 

[MakeshiftPython]

Are you surprised? From the first four minutes I watched, yeah. He was cheering that this was "great news for Star Trek fans".

 

[Lord Garth]

Are you surprised? From the first four minutes I watched, yeah. He was cheering that this was "great news for Star Trek fans".

What an ass he is. It's not as if he'll like the next incarnation of Star Trek movies any better.

 

[DaveyNY]

What I look at on Yt...
Trains (Hobby & Real) ... Mini-golf players ... Bill Maher's "Over-Time" ... Piano players ... Bob Ross ... Movie/TV Trailers ...Graham Norton and 10 hour relaxation sounds.

And that's more than enough to keep me busy without having to watch "crazy-eddie-like" fools rant and rave about nothing.

 

[Campe]

Are you surprised? From the first four minutes I watched, yeah. He was cheering that this was "great news for Star Trek fans".

What an ass he is. It's not as if he'll like the next incarnation of Star Trek movies any better.

I think some people honestly would just prefer a return to stilted dialogue, repetitive model shots and sonic wallpaper. Please don't mistake me, I grew up with Berman-era Trek. It was enjoyable for the time, but tastes evolve.

 

[Hythlodeus]

I think some people honestly would just prefer a return to stilted dialogue, repetitive model shots and sonic wallpaper. Please don't mistake me, I grew up with Berman-era Trek. It was enjoyable for the time, but tastes evolve.

it's just more lucrative as a youtube to hate something. no matter how a new show is done, the momen you have angry rants about that show, you generate more clicks. For channels like ME, for youtubers like Doomcock the actual content and/or form of Trek is irrelevant, because whatever form it takes, whatever content it transports, generating clicks by angrily ranting about it is their business model.