Well, I have my doubts, but I hope I'm wrong. I'm really looking forward to this, and I wonder if new discovery in dinosaurs such as feathered dinosaurs will be put to use.
Brannon Braga now in charge of Terra Nova
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Maybe, but even within the constraints set by Berman and the network, the writing from Braga and his staff still could have been much better than it was.
There's no reason the stories and characters in VOY and ENT had to be THAT cheesy and generic.
Well, she was there before Braga had any influence - so we're still looking for other culprits, huh?
Jeri Taylor was there from the start of the show. She's the one who kept doing the Holodeck stories, opposed arc-storytelling and didn't want to develop the aliens they encountered.
And Braga was only an Exec Producer for like 2 or so seasons, so it was hardly "Braga and the staff".
Which should be clear from the fact that she was listed as one of the creators of the show in every single episode.
What's your source for that? I've never heard any such allegation before (aside from the holodeck thing, which makes perfect sense from a television production standpoint -- it's a better way to save money than filling the galaxy with historical costume-drama planets like TOS did). Based on everything I've ever heard, it was UPN that opposed developing arcs because they wanted the freedom to air or syndicate the episodes out of order. It doesn't seem logical that Jeri Taylor would have such a philosophy. After all, she was the showrunner for the last two seasons of TNG, and there were plenty of ongoing story and character arcs on that show under her leadership. Keep in mind that TNG was a syndicated show and thus much less subject to outside pressure, so its approach in its final two seasons is most likely a better exemplar of Taylor's production philosophy than VGR's approach.
Besides, the lack of ongoing arcs continued to be an issue in VGR after Taylor left, making it even more illogical to claim that she and she alone was responsible for that policy.
If Fox did change and wasn't still a shit network making dumb ass choices than Terminator would have been on after the Super Bowl instead of a lame episode of House.
Well, I have noted before that between this and Threshold, Braga will have now worked on two television series with the same names as Trek episodes he wrote or co-wrote.
There is no such thing as a television network that doesn't make stupid choices sometimes. It's part of the definition of a television network.
I think his point is though that Fox has a long track record of canceling popular shows and pissing off fans.
Still not interested in this show...
Still not interested in this show...
Bad choice in examples. It is a good first approximation that government policy will be unaffected by a change of president, and elections generally. It's generally called stability and regarded by the rulers as the working definition of democracy. If government actually responded to the majority, you'd get complaints of "dictatorships" like Chavez' in Venezuela.
Two comments on the show. First, Braga is technically quite capable, though he still has too many flaws from his days with Moore (dark and gritty cliches, soapy character "development," thematically empty character pieces, somewhat adolescent sexuality.) But he seems to have actually learned something. Some bbs denizens who'll reject the show (remember the occasional posts boasting of never having watch FlashForward?
) But Braga's name isn't a bad sign.Second, the real bad sign is that we don't really have a premise. The Cretaceous is a setting, not a premise. Cool dinosaurs are FX, not a premise.
That's not really true... A show is a 'popular show' if it attracts ratings, if it doesn't then it's not a popular show. It may have a niche following who really enjoy it, but popular denotes a wider appeal.
A lot of people loved Arrested Development, but it was not a popular show in the ratings and got canceled. This is about Sci-fi/fantasy stuff and let's be honest FOX did cancel a lot of those types of shows after 1 season, but how many other networks even gave the genre A SEASON at all?
Hey I'll bitch and moan about FOX canceling a show I liked because it's happened, but the only reason I even got to watch a season of the show was because FOX was the only network willing to give it a chance.
Things have changed a bit in the past 3 or 4 years (probably due to Lost) so you now see major networks again giving a genre show a chance, but for a lot of the late 90s thru mid 00's FOX probably had 4 or 5x the genre shows of the other 3 networks combined.
It wasn't a popular show based on the ratings which was what the networks base their decision on, that's true. The shows that Fox has canceled were popular among that small viewership and created their own fan base. I wasn't referring to the ratings, but the viewership which the execs deemed wasn't large enough to justify continuing.
But FOX is not a person or a single continuous entity. It's a company. The company didn't cancel those shows, the people who ran the company cancelled those shows. And those people no longer work at FOX. So it's illogical to blame the company for the decisions of the human beings who used to work there.
Besides, that "track record" is really an illustration of how easily statistics can be abused if you take them out of context. The reason FOX has cancelled so many genre shows is because it's bought so many more genre shows than any other network in broadcast television. Since the majority of television shows of any type on any network are going to be cancelled at a young age, it therefore inevitably follows that the network that buys the most SF/fantasy shows will also cancel the most SF/fantasy shows. So if anything, FOX's "track record" means the exact opposite of what it's alleged to mean.
Last year, I did a statistical analysis of the various broadcast networks, counting what percentage of their shows overall had been genre shows. FOX scored highest, tied with UPN, for an average of about 1.25 genre shows per year since the date of the earliest genre show I could find on each network. Third place was a tie between ABC and the WB at about 0.9 genre shows per year. Fourth was NBC with an average of 0.57 genre shows per year, and CBS was the bottom of the barrel with only about 0.42 genre shows per year. (These are not exact figures, since I was going by Wikipedia's show lists, which probably weren't comprehensive. But assuming a comparable margin of error in each, at least the figures allow a comparison of the networks' relative performances.)
So the idea that FOX is hostile toward genre shows is just nonsense. If they were anti-genre, they wouldn't have put so many genre shows on the air in the first place.
Interesting study along with the results...I applaud Fox as others have done for taking the risk in the first place when other networks might have passed or shown no interest in them but the fact still remains that these shows (maybe popular was the wrong term to use when describing them) with a cult following were still canceled before their potential could be fully realized. One could argue that NBC did a similar thing with Conan by axing him based on their perception of poor ratings while Jay Leno current at last report was doing worse ratings than Conan. I'm not really sure what i'm even attempting to say really except that Fox has disappointed fans time and time again.
NAZI DINOSAURS!
I don't think Braga has much to worry about.
There is a much larger audience out there that has never watched Voy. or ENT., so they aren't that familiar with his previous work. If you didn't watch Trek or 24, this will be their first impression of his writing.
Depending on how graphic it is and the time slot, many here w/ kids might like it though the eyes of their children. Who knows?
There is a much larger audience out there that has never watched Voy. or ENT., so they aren't that familiar with his previous work. If you didn't watch Trek or 24, this will be their first impression of his writing.
Depending on how graphic it is and the time slot, many here w/ kids might like it though the eyes of their children. Who knows?
It wouldn't have made a damn bit of difference if UPN is the one still pulling the strings.
This.
