Brandon Routh was the best Superman after Christopher Reeve. It'll be a shame to not have him back as Superman. Though S:R sucked donkey balls, Routh was the best thing about it. With a better script, he'll be the shiniest of Superman yet.
Brandon Routh may return to Superman after all
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Batman and Robin sucked because Warners wanted a movie that was also a toy commercial. Warners however have made it up to fans a little by hiring Nolan.
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Gotcha, thanks.
If Clark is having a cameo in Green lantern it should go like this
Clark- I hear you have an unusual problem
Hal- you should talk
Clark- I hear you have an unusual problem
Hal- you should talk
I definitely understand the appeal of the iconic, "larger than life" comic book Superman, but I also think there's a lot of value in exploring a more human and relatable Superman.
He was, after all, raised as a human being for most of his life. It's never made complete sense to me how he goes from such humble origins to being this idealized, almost god-like figure that we see in the comics. Singer clearly felt the same way, and decided to approach the character in a more realistic way. His Superman not only has those normal human emotions, but is about as lonely and homesick as the last survivor of an entire alien planet probably WOULD be.
I didn't say that at all. Look at his work outside of superheroes to see he doesn't always do this. Such as The Usual Suspects or the mini-series he produced The Triangle. But he is an admitted long-time comic book fan, in as such as he relates the characters to his own real world experiences and not as the mythological larger than life characters they were created to be, Superman in particular. His style was okay for X-Men and certainly better than not having any X-Men movies at all. But he did filter the team through his own take on the characters, and that take is quite different than what I see as the correct way to do them. It is not much different than the problems I have with the grown up fanboys now running Marvel and DC. It's like he got to film his own big budget fanfics.
Jeez, if I had a problem with gay people working in the entertainment industry I would have nothing to watch. I just have a problem with this particular director being able to work accurately with this subject material.
Routh wasn't a terrible actor, but I didn't think he was that special. I'd like to see them drop the Luthor as the villain everytime thing. Ban Kryptonite from the next movie.
Yeah, if the movie had been brighter, the darker colors might have worked Ok, but the colors AND movie were both dark, so Superman looked like he was wearing brown in quite a few scenes.
Also, when the suit got wet it looked like routh was wearing a suit made out of colorful plastic garbage bags. What the heck was that thing made out of?
I don't really get all the hate for Superman Returns. While it certainly wasn't the best comic book movie I've ever seen, it was a lot better than most and I thought that Routh was quite good in the role.
I'm not opposed to upping the action level of the sequel, but I hope they don't completely throw out all of the Richard Donner inspired elements. There is no need to, really.
I'm not opposed to upping the action level of the sequel, but I hope they don't completely throw out all of the Richard Donner inspired elements. There is no need to, really.
And that approach would be fine for a fanfic, a subplot for the comic, or even on a television show as they have with Lois & Clark as well as Smallville. Oh boy, does Smallville really have the angst. But the movies have hundreds of millions of dollars tied up in them and that approach to the mythos of Superman just won't bring in the big bucks. And if there are to be 2-5 years between "episodes", there's really not a lot of room to develop that kind of story. The big screen Superman NEEDS to be larger than life, or the movie will fail expectations every time just as Superman Returns did.
Well, the term "larger than life" is pretty vague. Are we talking about big explosions and Superman acting all high and mighty, or what? I think we saw a lot of this "almost god-like figure" in Superman Returns, whether it was him perched in space listening to all of the crying people or ascending into the clouds, arms outstretched, absorbing the rays of the yellow sun for power and strength.
In that sense, I'd say we saw a lot of that in the Superman from Superman Returns, so this idea that he needs to be even more "larger-than-life" confuses me. Should he be flying against bright red and blue American flags, saluting the military, getting saved by people as they cheer out his name in victorious, uproarious support?
I think by "larger-than-life", it basically equates to people wanting an exciting story, perhaps one not so introspective, a story where Superman is heroic and triumphant in a really external sort of way, because let's face it, Superman Returns was like an independent drama in the way it internalized a lot of the dramatics that happened on and particularly off-screen (Superman's journey to Krypton before the film technically begins, for instance, something I still think to this day we should have seen).
In that sense, I'd say we saw a lot of that in the Superman from Superman Returns, so this idea that he needs to be even more "larger-than-life" confuses me. Should he be flying against bright red and blue American flags, saluting the military, getting saved by people as they cheer out his name in victorious, uproarious support?
I think by "larger-than-life", it basically equates to people wanting an exciting story, perhaps one not so introspective, a story where Superman is heroic and triumphant in a really external sort of way, because let's face it, Superman Returns was like an independent drama in the way it internalized a lot of the dramatics that happened on and particularly off-screen (Superman's journey to Krypton before the film technically begins, for instance, something I still think to this day we should have seen).
What I mean by "larger than life" is a knock down drag out fight for the fate of the world. Like this page from the latest Action Comics: http://i.newsarama.com/images/act_870_0006-cv.jpg
In Superman Returns, there was at least an hour of introspection. Way, way, way too much. A quagmire of introspection. Cut out that and add a little more to the dialog between Clark and Martha after he got home, and you could have served the very same purpose but kept a brisker story pace. Why do so many people like Superman II better than Superman: The Movie? Because of the fights, because Superman actually gets physically challenged. Bedding Lois added to it, but it was secondary. In Superman Returns, the challenge to Superman was secondary. What there was of one. The only punches thrown in the film were by Lex and his goons when they were kicking Superman's ass. No, for a satisfying movie-going experience we need to see Superman as the ass-kicker. Not the heavy lifter. The movies need an ass-kicking Superman. And I would wager that if we actually got one done with present day FX and CGI, Warner Bros. would have another box office like TDK.
In Superman Returns, there was at least an hour of introspection. Way, way, way too much. A quagmire of introspection. Cut out that and add a little more to the dialog between Clark and Martha after he got home, and you could have served the very same purpose but kept a brisker story pace. Why do so many people like Superman II better than Superman: The Movie? Because of the fights, because Superman actually gets physically challenged. Bedding Lois added to it, but it was secondary. In Superman Returns, the challenge to Superman was secondary. What there was of one. The only punches thrown in the film were by Lex and his goons when they were kicking Superman's ass. No, for a satisfying movie-going experience we need to see Superman as the ass-kicker. Not the heavy lifter. The movies need an ass-kicking Superman. And I would wager that if we actually got one done with present day FX and CGI, Warner Bros. would have another box office like TDK.
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I highly doubt that more people like Superman II better than Superman: The Movie.