Brandon Routh may return to Superman after all
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Exactly. And no matter how many times its said the die hard apoligists for SR will say the tone/themes opened the door for great new possibilites. No, they don't.
Unless great possibilites are Superman being a homewrecker.
Great being that the likable Richard is killed because of something stupid he gets caught up in with Clark/Supes hanging about.
The Awesome possibility that Lois tosses out any ideals she has and sneaks around on Richard with an "in cahoots" Supes. A Supes who as a character has higher ideals/morals/convictions than that.
Then of course you have the kid hanging out there.
Exactly. And no matter how many times its said the die hard apoligists for SR will say the tone/themes opened the door for great new possibilites. No, they don't.
Unless great possibilites are Superman being a homewrecker.
Great being that the likable Richard is killed because of something stupid he gets caught up in with Clark/Supes hanging about.
The Awesome possibility that Lois tosses out any ideals she has and sneaks around on Richard with an "in cahoots" Supes. A Supes who as a character has higher ideals/morals/convictions than that.
Then of course you have the kid hanging out there.
Norrin Radd
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Yeah, while i don't buy the "deadbeat dad" angle, it was kinda strange seeing our superpowered "paragon of virtue" romancing a woman in a serious relationship with a decent guy who has been a kind, caring father figure to a kid that's not even his. Yeah, it does definitely give off a "homewrecker" vibe.
"Apologists"? So just because someone actually, y'know, liked the movie, that makes us apologists? Yes, God forbid anyone has a different opinion! C'mon now, where's the fairness in that?
And Superman Returns DID leave the possibilities open for more movies, you just don't like the possibilities it left open.
I'm sorry? When in Superman Returns was Superman a homewrecker? I mean at the end of the film he left Jason with Lois and Richard. He handled that situation very maturely. Do you think, all of the sudden, he's going to steal Lois away from Richard and Jason? Did you not watch the progress throughout the film?
Umm...what? That sentence actually is a bit hard to understand, with all due respect. So you're saying it would be acceptable story-wise for Richard to die just because he works at the Daily Planet? Same should go for Clark and Lois too, I would imagine, and while we're at it, anyone else that "hangs out" with Clark Kent/Superman...which is nearly every other Superman character!
If you watched Superman Returns, you would realize the Superman of that movie wouldn't do that, or that movie would have ended with Lois under one arm and Jason under the other as he flies into the clouds. That didn't happen, now did it?
And...?
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We've danced the SR dance Jackson so I'm not going to go over it again(no offense) in "break down" mode. Many a person apoligizes for SR returns just because they had Superman on the screen again.
I didn't punctuate well I suppose but if a great possibility was that Richard dies through some "heroic" cliche saving Superman in order to save Lois or some such then that was what I was going for, rather with sarcasm.
Saying that SR left open great possibilites is like really beliving someone is an agent of Change who has no record of change to actually stand on. Sure there are possibilites left open in SR returns they just aren't good ones(the execs agree) and change may come but it won't be the change your promised. Political analogy not aimed at you, just an analogy.
We've danced the SR dance Jackson so I'm not going to go over it again(no offense) in "break down" mode. Many a person apoligizes for SR returns just because they had Superman on the screen again.
I didn't punctuate well I suppose but if a great possibility was that Richard dies through some "heroic" cliche saving Superman in order to save Lois or some such then that was what I was going for, rather with sarcasm.
Saying that SR left open great possibilites is like really beliving someone is an agent of Change who has no record of change to actually stand on. Sure there are possibilites left open in SR returns they just aren't good ones(the execs agree) and change may come but it won't be the change your promised. Political analogy not aimed at you, just an analogy.
RobertScorpio
Pariah
That was the best post in this thread, IMO...going 'dark' with Superman is idiotic in the first degree. I hope it gets stuck in development hell and never gets made...
Rob
I don't want him to go 'dark', I just want him to be a man and own the power he embodies. If I never see Superman floating away off his tip-toes again, it will be too soon. And enough with the floating in orbit pining away over Lois crap. SR was barely about a superhero. It became a "chick flick".
And I say that Superman Returns was a beautiful movie and Bryan Singer showed in it a fluency in cinematic language unrivaled by most directors.
And who says Richard has to die at all?
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He doesn't have to die but he is an expendable character. The longer he is around the more "third wheel" Supes is, the more homewrecker/stalkerish he continues to be.
He doesn't have to die but he is an expendable character. The longer he is around the more "third wheel" Supes is, the more homewrecker/stalkerish he continues to be.
More talk about Routh staying on as Superman:
http://screenrant.com/brandon-routh-superman-filmnerdjamie-3919/
And a possible cameo in another Dc film:
http://screenrant.com/brandon-routh-green-lantern-movie-filmnerdjamie-3921/
And please, don't bring in any of that 'deadbeat' father nonsense to this thread: Richard is Jason's father in every sense that matters. Superman would be a selfish bastard indeed if he swooped in and took Jason from the only family he has known. I've worked with adoptive families for years, as well as being an adoptee myself, and I seen too many children hurt immeasurably when selfish biological fathers who've had nothing to do with their children (and are unknown to them) all of a sudden decide they now want to be daddy. And yes, I include bio-fathers who find out they have children years after the fact and still decide to decimate their child's life by uprooting them from the only family they've known. It takes a real man to put his child's best interest above his own, and let his child grow up healthy in his established family.
http://screenrant.com/brandon-routh-superman-filmnerdjamie-3919/
And a possible cameo in another Dc film:
http://screenrant.com/brandon-routh-green-lantern-movie-filmnerdjamie-3921/
And please, don't bring in any of that 'deadbeat' father nonsense to this thread: Richard is Jason's father in every sense that matters. Superman would be a selfish bastard indeed if he swooped in and took Jason from the only family he has known. I've worked with adoptive families for years, as well as being an adoptee myself, and I seen too many children hurt immeasurably when selfish biological fathers who've had nothing to do with their children (and are unknown to them) all of a sudden decide they now want to be daddy. And yes, I include bio-fathers who find out they have children years after the fact and still decide to decimate their child's life by uprooting them from the only family they've known. It takes a real man to put his child's best interest above his own, and let his child grow up healthy in his established family.
The above point would be valid if it weren't obvious that the child is going to possess superhuman powers, which makes the situation unique.
Wouldn't it be more than likely the guy would just walk away once he learned that Lois' kid was Superman's as well?
I don't think he'd find it convincing, after all, when LL assured him, "Oh, baby, it's better with you. I never think about having lain beneath and borne a child to the most powerful being on Earth."
Uh ... yeah.
Wouldn't it be more than likely the guy would just walk away once he learned that Lois' kid was Superman's as well?
I don't think he'd find it convincing, after all, when LL assured him, "Oh, baby, it's better with you. I never think about having lain beneath and borne a child to the most powerful being on Earth."
Uh ... yeah.
Did the Kents walk away when they learned their baby wasn't from this planet?
It is obvious that Richard and Lois were being set as analogues to Johnathan and Martha Kent, so I have no doubt that Richard (whose heroic nature was established in the film) would want to be with his son, no matter what the specifics of his birth.
It is obvious that Richard and Lois were being set as analogues to Johnathan and Martha Kent, so I have no doubt that Richard (whose heroic nature was established in the film) would want to be with his son, no matter what the specifics of his birth.
I'm saying that Richard strikes me (based on his depiction in the film) as a decent and honorable man, one that would put the interests of his son over any jealousy he might feel.
Since it was announced that the Superman franchise was to be rebooted, I've been saying there's no reason why they couldn't bring back Routh, the best thing about SR. I'm glad to see I wasn't alone in thinking so. The guy deserved another chance - I'd have hated him to become the Lazenby of the Superman legend.
I've said it before, they're better of using the perfect candidate they already have than spending zillions of $$$$$ on searching for another actor - after all, that money could be spent on stuff we'll see onscreen!
I've said it before, they're better of using the perfect candidate they already have than spending zillions of $$$$$ on searching for another actor - after all, that money could be spent on stuff we'll see onscreen!
Yes, SR was the chick-flick version of a Superhero movie. Heavy on personal drama and screwed up relationships, light on explosions. I'd say it was pretty good chick flick, but a really bad Superman movie.
Exactly. As long as Richard continues to exist, Superman and Lois cannot be together. And as long as the kid is there, Superman will continue to get involved anyway. It's all very messy and soap-opera-ish.
There's really no way around it, the kid has two dads.
Absolutely. Richard was portrayed as more perfect than Superman in SR, which is why Supes getting Lois would be very unfair. I mean, Richard even drives Lois to the Hospital at the end. Not once in SR did he even hint that he considers his and Lois's relationship to be threatened by Superman.
Then again, Lois didn't tell him she was flying around with Superman. Supes taking Lois for a little romantic cruise seemed a little too forward.
So he pulled a Pee-Wee Herman and said "I meant to do that"? Wow. Proves my case however, he really just doesn't get what is the appeal behind superheroes. These are our modern day mythological heroes. As much as the Olympians were for Ancient Greece and Rome(with different names), or the Norse gods were for the Vikings. Superman is the modern day equivalent to Hercules or Thor, the powerful favored-son heroic model. These are supposed to be our larger-than-life heroes, not a third-wheel loser to a normal human relationship. When you think of Superman you should think of an epic story on a grand scale. Otherwise, you are just wasting the character.
I agree, gay people can't make non-gay movies, just as blacks can't make movies that aren't about "the hood".
*rolling my eyes so damn hard right now.
