Borg and TOS Era

[Lieut. Arex]

In Tng the first borg encounter, Picard and his ship (which was way beyond anything in tos era) couldn't take down one cube, hell he came close causing the assimilation of his whole crew.

The only reason Picard got in that situation is because he stopped his attack. Initially, they pounded the Borg ship pretty easily. It was only after he stopped to investigate the cube, giving them a chance to adapt and repair the vessel, that the E-D weapons were ineffective.

In an initial encounter, if Kirk keeps up the attack, the Enterprise should win. A second fight though, that'd require the old anti-computer Kirk fu.

 

[-Brett-]

We will find out that a well loved Enterprise crew member is a Borg Drone!

Just one? I think almost all of the recognizable characters should be Borg. That's good writing.

Also, characters that, thinking logically within the context of the story couldn't possibly be Borg would be! No one will suspect that!

Anyway, on topic. The Borg were supposedly a thousand years ahead of the Federation. Compared to that, what's one more century? If Starfleet of that time could overcome the disadvantage, Starfleet of a century earlier probably could too.

 

[Ovation]

The Original Series and the Borg are two things that shall never be mentioned in the same sentence, except to say "I'm glad there were no Borg in the Original Series" or "Anyone who tries to shoehorn the Borg into the Original Series should have his pancreas fed to rats."

It was years ago (and it was a novel), so I don't recall the author's name, but I read a Trek novel that "ret-conned" the Borg into TOS (if only tangentially). Recall the planet-killer from the episode The Doomsday Machine. In the novel, the TNG crew encounter a more sophisticated version of the same thing and discover (the how is fuzzy to my memory) it, along with the TOS one, was designed to fight the Borg.

Perhaps that novelist would like some fava beans and a nice chianti with the pancreas?

 

[Brutal Strudel]

The Original Series and the Borg are two things that shall never be mentioned in the same sentence, except to say "I'm glad there were no Borg in the Original Series" or "Anyone who tries to shoehorn the Borg into the Original Series should have his pancreas fed to rats."

It was years ago (and it was a novel), so I don't recall the author's name, but I read a Trek novel that "ret-conned" the Borg into TOS (if only tangentially). Recall the planet-killer from the episode The Doomsday Machine. In the novel, the TNG crew encounter a more sophisticated version of the same thing and discover (the how is fuzzy to my memory) it, along with the TOS one, was designed to fight the Borg.

Perhaps that novelist would like some fava beans and a nice chianti with the pancreas?

Peter David's Vendetta, which also featured too-cute-by-half cameo by Loskene, the only Tholian in the galaxy.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

I suggest reading the first story in the Star Trek Manga Shinsei Shinsei, "Side Effects."

That's the one!

 

[Gov Kodos]

Kirk and Spock would have prevailed, it's what they do.

 

[M'Sharak]

I suggest reading the first story in the Star Trek Manga Shinsei Shinsei, "Side Effects."

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/RAMA4444/Clip_2-2.jpg

That's the one!

That image makes me wonder whether it might also have been at least a partial inspiration for the design of the repair station "computer core" in ENT's 'Dead Stop'.

 

[RaymondJames]

In Tng the first borg encounter, Picard and his ship (which was way beyond anything in tos era) couldn't take down one cube, hell he came close causing the assimilation of his whole crew.

The only reason Picard got in that situation is because he stopped his attack. Initially, they pounded the Borg ship pretty easily. It was only after he stopped to investigate the cube, giving them a chance to adapt and repair the vessel, that the E-D weapons were ineffective.

In an initial encounter, if Kirk keeps up the attack, the Enterprise should win. A second fight though, that'd require the old anti-computer Kirk fu.

I disagree. The federation, starfleet had only been in the Alpha and Beta quadrant at that time The Borg are all around, adapting and assimilation thousands of species, new technology. it would only make sense that the Borg would have a huge advantage being technologicaly superior.

 

[WeAreTheBorg]

We would have found their technology irrelevant, and unworthy of assimilation.

 

[Lieut. Arex]

I disagree. The federation, starfleet had only been in the Alpha and Beta quadrant at that time The Borg are all around, adapting and assimilation thousands of species, new technology. it would only make sense that the Borg would have a huge advantage being technologicaly superior.

Then why was the Borg cube so susceptible to Picard's initial response? The E-D is far more powerful than the Enterprise to be sure, but by your logic, it should have easily resisted the assault. As it was--and I'll get the percentage wrong, as it's been years since I last saw "Q Who"--Picard wrecked something like 70% of the cube. Backing things up eighty years, I'd expect Kirk's ship to do similar damage against a 23rd century Borg cube.

 

[Shatmandu]

This is very simple.

If Kirk had encountered The Borg, they would not have even been around for any of the later series crews to fight.

Kirk would simply have convinced them all to commit suicide.

Joe, solutioner

 

[jayrath]

Please. How many machine-based intelligences did Kirk demolish, merely through human logic or illogic?

Picard & Co. tried to out-muscle the Borg. Kirk would have looked for their own pirme directive, made love to their queen, put on a play in front of them demonstrating that humans were unworthy of assimilation ("Norman, coordinate!"), and then looked on in satisfaction as they all shivered into steam as he argued. "Execute! . . . The Prime Directive!"

Z-z-z-ip! BOOM! No more Borg.

 

[TheLonelySquire]

In the BEST OF BOTH WORLDS, First Contact, and even DS9's big fleet episodes, it seemed as if Star Fleet could must a pretty big fleet if it needed too, especially DS9's sacrafice of angels/What you leave behind...

Had one Borg cube attacked TOS Earth, could Kirk and his era-peers even have put up a flight? Especially since there were only 12 starships? I mean, Kirk is good and all that. But he and Spock would have had to work some serious magic to stop one cube from getting to Earth..

Rob
Scorpio

Rob,

Cmon. Kirk would have nailed the Borg Queen. Game over!

 

[Nerys Myk]

Please. How many machine-based intelligences did Kirk demolish, merely through human logic or illogic?

Picard & Co. tried to out-muscle the Borg. Kirk would have looked for their own pirme directive, made love to their queen, put on a play in front of them demonstrating that humans were unworthy of assimilation ("Norman, coordinate!"), and then looked on in satisfaction as they all shivered into steam as he argued. "Execute! . . . The Prime Directive!"

Z-z-z-ip! BOOM! No more Borg.

Norman.

Nomad

Landru

M5

Korby

Andrea

Losira Hologram

 

[M'Sharak]

This is very simple.

If Kirk had encountered The Borg, they would not have even been around for any of the later series crews to fight.

Kirk would simply have convinced them all to commit suicide.

Joe, solutioner

I think he's got it,
I think he's got it...

 

[pookha]

The Federation at that time was hardly a match for the Romulan Star Empire or The Klingons for that matter...

Based on what evidence?

i dont see any evidence of that.
the romulans pretty much gave up on starting the war back up after things didnt work out so well in balance of terror.
frankly enterprise did pretty well tracking the ship.
and when the romulans came up with a cloak that couldnt be tracked it pretty promptly got stolen from them and probably reverse engineered to find a way to track it too.

and the federation pre errand of mercy seemed to be already in a period of exploration and expansion.

and there is no evidence that the federation were out matched by the klingons in that time period.

as for kirk and the borg.
i agree with shatmandu and jayrath. he would have probably found some way that their reasoning was faulty and in shame they would have blown themselves up.

 

[pookha]

Please. How many machine-based intelligences did Kirk demolish, merely through human logic or illogic?

Picard & Co. tried to out-muscle the Borg. Kirk would have looked for their own pirme directive, made love to their queen, put on a play in front of them demonstrating that humans were unworthy of assimilation ("Norman, coordinate!"), and then looked on in satisfaction as they all shivered into steam as he argued. "Execute! . . . The Prime Directive!"

Z-z-z-ip! BOOM! No more Borg.

Norman.

Nomad

Landru

M5

Korby

Andrea

Losira Hologram

vaal


ruk.. tricked him into turning on korby

 

[Shatmandu]

Please. How many machine-based intelligences did Kirk demolish, merely through human logic or illogic?

Picard & Co. tried to out-muscle the Borg. Kirk would have looked for their own pirme directive, made love to their queen, put on a play in front of them demonstrating that humans were unworthy of assimilation ("Norman, coordinate!"), and then looked on in satisfaction as they all shivered into steam as he argued. "Execute! . . . The Prime Directive!"

Z-z-z-ip! BOOM! No more Borg.

Norman.

Nomad

Landru

M5

Korby

Andrea

Losira Hologram

vaal


ruk.. tricked him into turning on korby

McCoy pissed off Kirk one day, so Kirk snuck into his house and convinced McCoy's stereo to kill itself.

Don't mess with Kirk.

Joe, who killed a VCR once

 

[Nerys Myk]

Norman.

Nomad

Landru

M5

Korby

Andrea

Losira Hologram

vaal


ruk.. tricked him into turning on korby

McCoy pissed off Kirk one day, so Kirk snuck into his house and convinced McCoy's stereo to kill itself.

Don't mess with Kirk.

Joe, who killed a VCR once

It was asking for it. It kept blinking at you.

 

[Mallory]

That wouldn't be the first time Joe got told "no" over and over again.