A Skywalker failing to learn from the mistakes of the past might as well be the tagline for the entire Saga.
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In a way though, that's basically the point of the Prequel Trilogy. The Republic and the Jedi Order are stagnating and have become mere shadows of what they were in their heyday. Indeed, in ANH Obi-Wan is trying to inspire Luke with stories of what the Jedi were once upon a time, in the hopes that that's what the Jedi of tomorrow will become.
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I rather think the "dark times" he's referring includes the Clone Wars and the decades leading up to it. He's had a lot of time to reflect, sitting in that hovel. (Though I also have a pet theory that "the dark times" actually referrers to period of time between the fall of the Old Republic and the defeat of Darth Bane, but that's a whole other discussion.)
Civilizations don't fall overnight (not really) there's usually a long lead-up of corruption and stagnation. The usual warning sign is when institutions start to neglect the purpose for which they were created in favour of self perpetuation. I'm sure when the Trade Federation was founded for example, it was with good intentions. To spread trade and economic wealth throughout the galaxy, to uplift the smaller economies of the outer rim, and to ensure fair treatment by all. Fast forward a few centuries and they're a bunch of greedy, self serving oligarchs.
This was not an invention of the PT though; Lucas included this idea in the earlier drafts of the script, and even the original novelization for ANH includes a brief run-down of how the Republic rotted from within.
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And Yoda comes across as a smug hypocrite. The whole situation with Darth Vader came about because Yoda was afraid of what would happen if Anakin Skywalker we're trained as a Jedi; and he was still afraid of him once he was a Jedi, and Yoda's overall treatment of Anakin Skywalker is what lead and allowed him to be swayed by and turn to the Dark Side.
If Yoda had just allowed Anakin Skywalker to be treated like any other Padawan, and then treated him just like he treated the majority of other Jedi, things would have turned out very differently.
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OK, up front, when Rebels was first broadcast I was busy with work and some upgrading courses and wasn't watching much of anything.
Based on some comments here I've been checking it out. I found the first season kind of pedestrian and predictable. I liked the characteres well enough but not enough to keep me watching, but I still wanted to give it a try.
I'm up to 2-3 (Relics of the Old Republic) and it's grabed me. I've started seeing why Ahsoka is a big deal. I mean it's really showing, along with the potential of this series. The episode is kind of a mash of ANH and TOS Balancee of Terror, plus more, and it really worked for me.
I'm getting hooked.
Based on some comments here I've been checking it out. I found the first season kind of pedestrian and predictable. I liked the characteres well enough but not enough to keep me watching, but I still wanted to give it a try.
I'm up to 2-3 (Relics of the Old Republic) and it's grabed me. I've started seeing why Ahsoka is a big deal. I mean it's really showing, along with the potential of this series. The episode is kind of a mash of ANH and TOS Balancee of Terror, plus more, and it really worked for me.
I'm getting hooked.
The Yoda arc in Clone Wars Season 6 basically has him realizing that oh fuck, what have we done.
I'm probably in the minority on this, but that's my favourite episode of the series.
It took me until season 2 of The Mandalorian before I finally tried watching some Clone Wars and Rebels, as I wanted extra context on the Mandalorians, the Darksaber and who Ahsoka was. I'd never been that eager to watch Clone Wars as it seemed kind of childish and Rebels looked like it was going for an even younger audience, but I got a watch list to skip all the worst of it and I gave it a fair chance and I am so glad I finally watched these cartoons. Man they're good television. The Bad Batch as well.
Rebels is a show that gets better with each passing season. It's not as good as Clone Wars but it's worthy of being part of the canon like Clone Wars.
Just curious, has anyone heard anything about this show from anyone involved with the production? It's kind of weird, I haven't been able to dig up much of anything.
Just saw the last episode. Damn the fights are terrible! The only thing I said was "DON'T STAND SO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER!", when those idiots keep on standing shoulder to shoulder during the end battles.
And I am a little bit disappointed the way Luke treated Grogu with letting him choose between the lightsaber and armor
And I am a little bit disappointed the way Luke treated Grogu with letting him choose between the lightsaber and armor
He will when they retcon the sequel trilogy. In the new timeline Kylo Ren becomes a great Jedi who discovers Rey and after some help from Luke with training they team up to kill Snoke and when they happens the First Order falls apart, almost before they even get started.
Why?
Yeah, while I thought Luke has been a bit wooden in all the recent CGI appearences (CGI mostly), I did sort of agree with his presentation in this scene, not from the context it was "right" but that it is was what Jedis do. I did feel it was a bit manipulative, but that's not unexpected from Jedi.
Grogu had an obvious attachment and Luke presented a somewhat fair choice: Jedi or Mandalorian. It was obvious to us and Luke that Grogu would have to make that choice. "Somewhat" because the choice between a cool lightsabre and bunch of linked metal rings to a kid isn't quite equal. To a kid, he was playing on the difference in appeal between the two "prizes" and defecting the difference between the two commitments.
Grogu made his choice because that's who he is and that was that. Luke sent him safely to Tatooine and that was really all he had agreed to do.
I was touched by Grogus' choice of the present from his "dad". Din obviously was too.
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Luke left his training with Yoda to go help his friends, but eventually returned to finish.
Either way, we can hope Grogu isn't around Luke's school in about 20 years.
Either way, we can hope Grogu isn't around Luke's school in about 20 years.
If he does go back they're going to have to find some way to take him out of play by the time The Last Jedi come around, because I find it hard to believe Luke wouldn't have told Rey there's another fully trained Jedi out there.
I guess the same would probably apply to Ahsoka too since we know Luke knew about her. I know she left the order, but she still knew more than enough to train Rey if she was still active.
I guess the same would probably apply to Ahsoka too since we know Luke knew about her. I know she left the order, but she still knew more than enough to train Rey if she was still active.