So.. Season 3 of mando.. We're going to Mandalore.. Or whats left of it..
Spoilers Book of Boba Fett [Spoiler Discussion]
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The more I think about this episode the more I love it. The entire thing is basically a series of callbacks to the first three episodes of the first season of The Mandalorian (collecting a bounty, visiting the armorer, repairing a ship with a guest star), even right down to the exact same dialogue ("Bring in you warm...", "Weapons are my religion."), but now with a change or inversion that reflects how much Din and his situation have changed. He wields the Darksaber, sloppily, while collecting his bounty. Rather than working together he is challenged by Paz Vizla, then excommunicated from the covert. This time Din gladly embraces the Jawas and their scavenging. He gives up his weapons to the transport droid without a fight.
The entire thing is reflective of Din's mindset as he tries to go backward to a simpler time in his life, but can't because he has changed so much he no longer belongs there. And the whole thing culminates in the visit to Pelli Motto and the new ship. He wanted another Razor Crest, back to the same old comfort craft. But he gets talked into the new N-1. And it pays off with a great subtle bit of dialogue during the flight test. Initially flying over Mos Eisley, Din reports the ship is rough. But Pelli reminds him "You're used to flying a gunship, but she's a starfighter. Fly her like one." More broadly, you want what you're used to, but things have changed too much. You need to start living the life you have now, not the one you had back then.
At which point Din stops trying to go backward in time, and instead literally accelerates forward.
And it even contrasts with Boba Fett. Boba's a changed man trying to create the life he wants but being held back by everyone seeing him as the man he was. Din wants desperately to be the man he once was, but has changed too much to ever go back.
This was so well executed on every level.
The entire thing is reflective of Din's mindset as he tries to go backward to a simpler time in his life, but can't because he has changed so much he no longer belongs there. And the whole thing culminates in the visit to Pelli Motto and the new ship. He wanted another Razor Crest, back to the same old comfort craft. But he gets talked into the new N-1. And it pays off with a great subtle bit of dialogue during the flight test. Initially flying over Mos Eisley, Din reports the ship is rough. But Pelli reminds him "You're used to flying a gunship, but she's a starfighter. Fly her like one." More broadly, you want what you're used to, but things have changed too much. You need to start living the life you have now, not the one you had back then.
At which point Din stops trying to go backward in time, and instead literally accelerates forward.
And it even contrasts with Boba Fett. Boba's a changed man trying to create the life he wants but being held back by everyone seeing him as the man he was. Din wants desperately to be the man he once was, but has changed too much to ever go back.
This was so well executed on every level.
Not everyone watches everything, there could be people who weren't interested in The Mandalorian, but something about this caught there eye. Maybe they wanted to watch The Mandalorian, but haven't seen it yet, and decided to jump into this first since it's just starting, or maybe they are fans of a specific actor/tress on who is on this, but not The Mandalorian, like Matt Berry, Jennifer Beals or Sophie Thatcher. There are plenty of reasons a person could choose to watch this and not The Mandalorian.
Hell, it's been over a year since The Mandalorian's season ended, so a recap just of refresh everyone's memory of it could have been nice.
It just seems to me like it would be a good idea to include a recap when you're basically throwing in an episode from a different show in the middle of your show.
Discovery included a recap of The Cage, when they did the season 2 episode that followed up on it.
Is this a theory or a fact?
Maybe as a Wasteland Mandalore will actually be interesting.
Well.. To regain his pride so to speak.. Has to go to some mine on Mandalore.. I belive he will try, eventually. And since they dropped the hint ..then it's more than likely this next season..
But only a theory.. 2 levels above doomcock..as its based on actual information..
But only a theory.. 2 levels above doomcock..as its based on actual information..
I'm not sure that should be taken as story direction. It could be, obviously. But in context Din was told that there's only one way to rejoin his faith, but that it's so particular that the devastation of Mandalore basically makes it an impossibility. It's just a cruel way to tell him there's no going back.
I'm changing my name to Doomcock. I'll call my lawyer in the morning.
One thing I appreciate about this supposed prophecy is that while the Armourer certainly has a point of view, there's still room for another interpretation.
Being from one of the extremist warrior groups exiled to Concordia, she of course believes that it was Duchess Satine and the New Mandalorians' pursuit of a pacifist philosophy that represented them loosing their way, and that it was Bo Katan's acceptance of the Darksaber as a gift without taking it in battle that made her's the "unworthy hands".
Another way to look at it is that Pre Vizla is the unworthy one into whom's hands the Darksaber fell. It's because of him and his selfish pursuit of personal power that Mandalore ultimately fell. He was never a true believer in The Way of the Mandalore, he just used it's trappings to control and manipulate others to his side. That greed led him to weaken Mandalore so he could make a grab for power, and in the process allowing a former Sith Lord of all things to usurp him by manipulating that very same warrior code, just as Vizla did.
A united Mandalore could have stood as a bastion against the Empire, but instead it was fractured and conquered and beset by collaborators more than willing to follow Vizla in his pursuit of selfish goals.
Not that Bo Katan is without agency of course; she willingly followed Vizla, participated in his schemes and only balked when an outsider took the throne. That said, her insurgency against the Empire was doomed to fail. Mandalore was still weak. Buckled under decades of occupation that had stripped it of much of it's warriors to serve the Empire, while dissenters like the Protectors were eliminated one by one. Too little, too late.
Also, side note: Are we given to assume that the source of said prophecy is Tarre Vizsla himself because: Jedi? If so, then I'll put money on Dyn goind down into the living waters of those ancient sealed off mines and coming back up (metaphorically or otherwise) with a mythosaur and herald a new age for Mandalore.
Now it just has some extra rubble and less of an overcrowding problem.
Being from one of the extremist warrior groups exiled to Concordia, she of course believes that it was Duchess Satine and the New Mandalorians' pursuit of a pacifist philosophy that represented them loosing their way, and that it was Bo Katan's acceptance of the Darksaber as a gift without taking it in battle that made her's the "unworthy hands".
Another way to look at it is that Pre Vizla is the unworthy one into whom's hands the Darksaber fell. It's because of him and his selfish pursuit of personal power that Mandalore ultimately fell. He was never a true believer in The Way of the Mandalore, he just used it's trappings to control and manipulate others to his side. That greed led him to weaken Mandalore so he could make a grab for power, and in the process allowing a former Sith Lord of all things to usurp him by manipulating that very same warrior code, just as Vizla did.
A united Mandalore could have stood as a bastion against the Empire, but instead it was fractured and conquered and beset by collaborators more than willing to follow Vizla in his pursuit of selfish goals.
Not that Bo Katan is without agency of course; she willingly followed Vizla, participated in his schemes and only balked when an outsider took the throne. That said, her insurgency against the Empire was doomed to fail. Mandalore was still weak. Buckled under decades of occupation that had stripped it of much of it's warriors to serve the Empire, while dissenters like the Protectors were eliminated one by one. Too little, too late.
Also, side note: Are we given to assume that the source of said prophecy is Tarre Vizsla himself because: Jedi? If so, then I'll put money on Dyn goind down into the living waters of those ancient sealed off mines and coming back up (metaphorically or otherwise) with a mythosaur and herald a new age for Mandalore.
Well now in fairness it was already a wasteland even before they nuked it to death, as this kind of thing has happened before thank to the constant civil wars. hence the giant dome over capital.
Now it just has some extra rubble and less of an overcrowding problem.
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Well, I had hoped...oh well
Why he has that and the symbol on his chest remains something of a mystery. Jango never had either of them and Boba makes no pretence of being Mandalorian. Clearly they both mean something to him since he took the time to repaint both back on after getting the armor back.
Maybe he spent some time with the Protectors or something after the Clone Wars, before going back to a life of bounty hunting?
Of course the real world reason is that when they made ESB the general notion was that he was a leftover clone Super Commando from the Clone Wars, and those were meant to be unit and regimental insignia.
Maybe he spent some time with the Protectors or something after the Clone Wars, before going back to a life of bounty hunting?
Of course the real world reason is that when they made ESB the general notion was that he was a leftover clone Super Commando from the Clone Wars, and those were meant to be unit and regimental insignia.
Or the book Ringworld by Larry Niven.
Why not? We've got Kzinti in Star Trek.Or the book Ringworld by Larry Niven.
You realize that makes Vulcans Pierson's Puppeteers, right? (See TAS - The Slaver Weapon.)
I don't think it's a direct reference to anything in particular, other than the theoretical idea of a dyson ring in general, just scaled WAY the hell down to something more Luna/Mars sized orbiting a tiny neutron star.
Remember that the Niven Ringworld was HUGE compared to this; about 1AU radius, thick enough and with side walls high enough to contain it's own atmosphere, wide enough to accommodate copies of all of Earth's landmasses and oceans, with a circumference vast enough to be able to repeat said landmasses so many times as to be effectively infinite for anyone living on it, with anything resembling a mortal lifespan.
This thing is like five blocks across, maybe a dozen or two stories thick at most, and a small enough circumference to have a perceptible curve at ground level, and a very rapid day/night cycle from the inner orbiting mirror arrays. That's still a massive amount of habitat in terms of surface area, but as mega-structures go, it's tiny.
Remember that the Niven Ringworld was HUGE compared to this; about 1AU radius, thick enough and with side walls high enough to contain it's own atmosphere, wide enough to accommodate copies of all of Earth's landmasses and oceans, with a circumference vast enough to be able to repeat said landmasses so many times as to be effectively infinite for anyone living on it, with anything resembling a mortal lifespan.
This thing is like five blocks across, maybe a dozen or two stories thick at most, and a small enough circumference to have a perceptible curve at ground level, and a very rapid day/night cycle from the inner orbiting mirror arrays. That's still a massive amount of habitat in terms of surface area, but as mega-structures go, it's tiny.
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I saw a reaction to a YT video on the last episode that made my eyes go wide. I'm just going to repost it here with some small edits, because it's definitely a possibility as we go into these last two. The reactor's name was Montgomery McCall:
I found it very interesting that they included a solely driven Din episode in BoBf, but then rewatching it over, it clicked...
Din is much the same as what a lot of people thought Boba was when he was still bounty hunting. A lot of people have compared Din to what Boba was 'supposed' to be, and BoBF has clearly shown us that the two are on rather different levels. It's interesting that they bring so many key Mandalorian cultural elements into this show about a man that isn't a Mandalorian. The two things that stick out the most to me being the Darksaber and the... let's just call it 'Rite of Atonement'. This rite of course being that Din would have to go to the Living Waters under the Mines of Mandalore to become Mandalorian again. I instantly thought of Boba going along with Din to do this, to reclaim his heritage as a Mandalorian.
The Darksaber showing up in the show also gives us some insight as to why Din can't use it effectively. He's too much like Boba before (the Sarlacc), and he can't learn to be one with the blade. I've seen a lot of people complain about why there was an episode only showing Din and not Boba, but I don't think they realize...Din is Boba in this episode. It's a flashback for Boba without being a flashback, and it shows us that a younger Boba would not be able to handle the power and responsibility of being Mand'alor. The Darksaber could be handled by current Boba, who while spending time with the Tuskens has been able to learn one culturally significant melee weapon. He knows (now) what it truly means to be part of a people, and to lose them completely and start over building a new tribe. As the Armorer stated, the Mythosaur would bring about the rise of the Mandalorian people again...obviously this is Boba's symbol and I think there is a bit more to be said about it. The Mythosaurs were massive fearsome creatures that only the Mandalorians chose to ride, and what has Boba already claimed to want to do? Ride a Rancor, another large fearsome creature.
It feels like BoBF has just been a massive set up for this huge pay out of Boba becoming Mand'alor to preserve his ancestral people. I think there is a ton of foreshadowing in this show, mostly in the flashbacks, that points to this being the pay off, and it wasn't until episode 5 of BoBF that I felt this was actually the direction we will see Boba's story go.
Din is much the same as what a lot of people thought Boba was when he was still bounty hunting. A lot of people have compared Din to what Boba was 'supposed' to be, and BoBF has clearly shown us that the two are on rather different levels. It's interesting that they bring so many key Mandalorian cultural elements into this show about a man that isn't a Mandalorian. The two things that stick out the most to me being the Darksaber and the... let's just call it 'Rite of Atonement'. This rite of course being that Din would have to go to the Living Waters under the Mines of Mandalore to become Mandalorian again. I instantly thought of Boba going along with Din to do this, to reclaim his heritage as a Mandalorian.
The Darksaber showing up in the show also gives us some insight as to why Din can't use it effectively. He's too much like Boba before (the Sarlacc), and he can't learn to be one with the blade. I've seen a lot of people complain about why there was an episode only showing Din and not Boba, but I don't think they realize...Din is Boba in this episode. It's a flashback for Boba without being a flashback, and it shows us that a younger Boba would not be able to handle the power and responsibility of being Mand'alor. The Darksaber could be handled by current Boba, who while spending time with the Tuskens has been able to learn one culturally significant melee weapon. He knows (now) what it truly means to be part of a people, and to lose them completely and start over building a new tribe. As the Armorer stated, the Mythosaur would bring about the rise of the Mandalorian people again...obviously this is Boba's symbol and I think there is a bit more to be said about it. The Mythosaurs were massive fearsome creatures that only the Mandalorians chose to ride, and what has Boba already claimed to want to do? Ride a Rancor, another large fearsome creature.
It feels like BoBF has just been a massive set up for this huge pay out of Boba becoming Mand'alor to preserve his ancestral people. I think there is a ton of foreshadowing in this show, mostly in the flashbacks, that points to this being the pay off, and it wasn't until episode 5 of BoBF that I felt this was actually the direction we will see Boba's story go.
Yeah, the idea that Dyn is a stand-in for the version of Boba that existed mostly in fan's imaginations these last 40 years (even after the Prequels & TCW) is not a new one, and has been knocking around since season 1 of TM.
Indeed the rumour is (and I stress "rumour", so take it with a pile of salt) that Favreau originally wanted to make a Boba Fett show but either wasn't able to because the movie was still in active development at the time, or wasn't allowed to because his ideas where typical for those of an OT generation fan and thus incompatible with GL's version of Boba.
Personally I think the truth is (as is usually the case) much simpler in that the initial pitch may have been a Boba show, but in the process of writing it just became easier and more freeing to create "The Mandalorian" as an archetypal stand-in character that they can don anything they want with and not be tied down by existing baggage. Same basic reason that they switched IG-88 out with IG-11.
So yeah, using this episode to compare and contrast Dyn with Boba, both as they started out and where they are now, including both the differences and the similarities in the paths they've since taken seemed pretty self evident to me. I mean why else do an almost beat-for-beat (though highly condensed) re-tread of Dyn's first few episodes if not to demonstrate his growth and that this life isn't for him anymore.
Indeed if anything Boba is ahead of the curve in that he's actively trying to change and it's the world around him that's resisting, whereas with Dyn, he's the one resisting the change even when the universe is fighting him every step of the way.
If I had to predict where this is going for both of them, it's something along the lines of Boba needing to stop trying to control everything around him and allow himself to follow the right kind of person for a change. While Dyn needs to step up and lead because he already is that right kind of person, he just doesn't know it yet.
Indeed the rumour is (and I stress "rumour", so take it with a pile of salt) that Favreau originally wanted to make a Boba Fett show but either wasn't able to because the movie was still in active development at the time, or wasn't allowed to because his ideas where typical for those of an OT generation fan and thus incompatible with GL's version of Boba.
Personally I think the truth is (as is usually the case) much simpler in that the initial pitch may have been a Boba show, but in the process of writing it just became easier and more freeing to create "The Mandalorian" as an archetypal stand-in character that they can don anything they want with and not be tied down by existing baggage. Same basic reason that they switched IG-88 out with IG-11.
So yeah, using this episode to compare and contrast Dyn with Boba, both as they started out and where they are now, including both the differences and the similarities in the paths they've since taken seemed pretty self evident to me. I mean why else do an almost beat-for-beat (though highly condensed) re-tread of Dyn's first few episodes if not to demonstrate his growth and that this life isn't for him anymore.
Indeed if anything Boba is ahead of the curve in that he's actively trying to change and it's the world around him that's resisting, whereas with Dyn, he's the one resisting the change even when the universe is fighting him every step of the way.
If I had to predict where this is going for both of them, it's something along the lines of Boba needing to stop trying to control everything around him and allow himself to follow the right kind of person for a change. While Dyn needs to step up and lead because he already is that right kind of person, he just doesn't know it yet.
It's worth revisiting this scene from Rebels in regards to the difficulties that Din is having with the darksaber.
Great scene. Shame it cuts out right as it's getting to the big emotional climax.
This one goes on further:
I didn't use that clip because it omits Sabine's earlier comment about how heavy the blade was when she first ignited it and Kanan explaining how the blade draws energy from its wielder's thoughts and actions. Din and that Viszla chap were literally dragging it across the floor.