Spoilers Bonus scene from Season One Finale
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B5 was actually pretty monotonous and narrow, which is one reason the fandom for it has diminished over time.
I mean, does TBBT even do B5 jokes? Oh, wait, I guess they do...
He didn't say what it was derivative of.
Of the '90s, sure. Unfortunately, B5's big claim to fame was a tightly-plotted serialized story, and that's not really a novelty anymore. Add to the troubles it had originally being in Trek's shadow, then the failed attempts and bad luck with the spin-offs, the trouble with keeping it in circulation because of the HD issue, and the terrible luck the cast (as a whole, not every single person individually) has had over the past twenty years, and I'm afraid B5 isn't set for a long, happy afterlife in fandom heaven.
Now, I'll my part to keep that from happening, I love Babylon 5, but I'm just saying, things aren't looking good for it.
He's not posting on an Internet forum; he's a character delivering a punchline on a sitcom.
They're a Warner Bros show, so they got to synergize.Though I don't think they've done too many in recent seasons. I think The Drew Carey Show, also a WB production, made B5 references too.
Actually committing genocide. Killing Federation citizens to serve their own ends, and the like.
Also, it's not like Starfleet admirals are paragons of virtue in any series.
They are. They are not even real Star Trek.
No, no I don't.
And you won't. The past several months of discussion have saddened me that pretty much DISCO will remain the punching bag of the franchise until the next iteration.
For me, "fan wank" 'horrible" writers" "unoriginal content" and "too much change" have become meaningless buzz words that are not real criticism.
Bab 5 had a handful of really good - even excellent - episodes. The rest of it is utter shit. Despite the insistence to the contrary, it completely lacked depth. Everything - the plot, the theme, the drama - existed solely on the surface, prodded out through long-winded diatribes that were cumbersome to the point of being a distraction. Everything was told; nothing was shown. It's a prime example of why a monolithic approach to television is a really bad idea - and, incidentally, I think a lot of Disco's early troubles come from a similar place (that was overcorrected by adding on as many people they could find, only exacerbating the problem).
That said, DS9, as a whole, was only marginally better. Although certain individual bits worked much, much better than anything B5 had to offer. One bit the didn't work, however, was Section 31. To that end, I found this bit to be laughably stupid. And hope they drop it quick. And the black badges ...
Hell, if anything, that whole scene perfectly demonstrates why Section 31 was conceptually deficient to begin with.
That said, DS9, as a whole, was only marginally better. Although certain individual bits worked much, much better than anything B5 had to offer. One bit the didn't work, however, was Section 31. To that end, I found this bit to be laughably stupid. And hope they drop it quick. And the black badges ...
Hell, if anything, that whole scene perfectly demonstrates why Section 31 was conceptually deficient to begin with.
I like Section 31 as a Trek concept and don't mind it cropping up in DISCO. In fact, I had always speculated about it in the beginning with regard to the black badges and Lorca's different command style and interesting collection room. It didn't pan out the way I'd anticipated, but I'm cool with seeing some kind of involvement in the future on the show. I can only remember the S31 parts in DS9 and never saw STID so I don't really have a preconceived notion of what is or isn't acceptable in terms of its portrayal. If this is gonna be a plot point in S2, I'll be on board. Especially if it gives MU Georgiou a good arc.
Um, Section 31 first appeared in ST
S9 was was FASR from being shown as a small conspiracy cabal <--- It seemed ful;ly backed by Star Fleet and Star Fleet intelligence. Just go watch DS9 - "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges" (Admiral Ross was a full and active participant in 'playing/using' Doctopr Bashir along with Slone.
Oh, you mean that it demonstrates that trekkies on a Trek forum will talk about a piece of Trek TV news for some hours after it's announced?
Yeah, it totally proves that.
I can prove that Redskins fans root for the Redskins when they play the Cowboys, if you like.
You're grasping at straws.
Yeah, it totally proves that.
I can prove that Redskins fans root for the Redskins when they play the Cowboys, if you like.
You're grasping at straws.
Oh, you mean that it demonstrates that trekkies on a Trek forum will talk about a piece of Trek TV news for some hours after it's announced?
Yeah, it totally proves that.
I can prove that Redskins fans root for the Redskins when they play the Cowboys, if you like.
You're grasping at straws.
No.
It actually proves that people like you, who actively dislike the show, will spend time, effort and energy watching and reading about it regardless, and then spend half your afternoon making snarky and provocative negative comments on a message board about it.
Grasp at that straw, bro.
Um, Section 31 first appeared in ST
https://www.google.com/search?sa=X&...A&ved=0ahUKEwjewuPVzojaAhUD34MKHa8PBOcQri4IMQ
Yes, they were so fully-backed that they needed a random doctor to play spy for them and Ross was repulsed by the notion that he worked "for" them as opposed to "with" them. Also, Sloan's cover-story about Section 31 not existing and him being an agent of Starfleet Intelligence would be pretty lame if he was actually an agent of Starfleet Intelligence. A scene in which, by the way, 31 is describe as "a rogue organization that answered to no one." Even if 31 is official, for the sake of argument, then the image they seek to give that they are outside and above the law isn't helped by having large-scale infrastructure and highly-visible custom branding.
I love that there's this much discussion over a 2-min bit.
Shows just how "unpopular" DSC really is, huh?
It's a shame the board had so many crashes, hacks, and size overruns over the years, because I'd love to show you all the interminable debates over the ship display in TMP on the Enterprise forum. Why, the first season of Enterprise must've been the most popular dramatic work in human history, for thousands of cumulative hours of human life to have been spent arguing about a bit of barely-visible set dressing in an entirely unrelated then-twenty-year-old movie.
Does BBS provide a feature to block every post that has the word fanwank in it?
a Trek show should have a lot of fanwank. More fanwank please!!! We are going to see TOS uniforms next season, at least for the Enterprise crew. And Section 31. Can't wait.
And something else to get off my chest: 20+ years have passed and I still don't like B5. But DS9 was great.
a Trek show should have a lot of fanwank. More fanwank please!!! We are going to see TOS uniforms next season, at least for the Enterprise crew. And Section 31. Can't wait.
And something else to get off my chest: 20+ years have passed and I still don't like B5. But DS9 was great.
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Or at least something similar
Every Star Trek series is fan wank.
Voyager probably has the least
DSC is Star Trek of course it’s going to reference the other series
I was really into B5 first season. Then they had to write out the main character Sinclair and to me it lost the whole dynamic then first season started and was never able to bring the whole original plan back in line.
Sorry I hate talking a out other shows in these threads. But B5 had a lot of original potential that they were forced to abandon.
Sorry I hate talking a out other shows in these threads. But B5 had a lot of original potential that they were forced to abandon.
