Spoilers Bonus scene from Season One Finale
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I envy your optimism that there are reasons why things happen in Discovery other than because the writers love twists.
Better than pessimism, especially among Star Trek fansI envy your optimism that there are reasons why things happen in Discovery other than because the writers love twists.
I think it fits in the context. They were on Kronos. A human coming to meet with another human brings suspicion while a non-allied (is Trill in the Federation at this point?) race coming to Kronos is just a random person going to a strip club. I understand it doesn't fit in the finale. Burnham's speech seems to say the Federation had overcome it's fears and challenges with values. Ironically, I don't necessarily think S31 is opposed to Burnham's gambit, not because they oppose genocide but because the empire's instability has shown to be more dangerous than unity.
"I believe in you Dewey. I just know you're gonna fail" -from Dewey Cox
In my mind an organization like Sec31 believes in the idea of the Federation but doesn't believe its ideals can work without the occasional underhanded act from behind the scenes. And they are not the only ones in the Federation who behave that way. "Because I can live with it. I can live with it."
I am so seriously conflicted by this, I can’t even...
On the one hand: YAAASSS!! More Michelle Yeoh/Evil Georgiou awesome!!
On the other hand: God Damn Section 31. BOOOOOO!!
On the one hand: YAAASSS!! More Michelle Yeoh/Evil Georgiou awesome!!
On the other hand: God Damn Section 31. BOOOOOO!!
He was given reocurring part recently -https://www.instagram.com/p/BguFxGGnkl9/
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Until I see what's going to be done with Section 31, I'll keep feeling worried that DSC will misuse them like their other recent portrayals. As was stated here before, they've become something of the bogeymen of the Federation, the go-to moustache-twirling bad guys who were basically warmongering for warmongering's sake (I mean, the novels even had them being behind the assassination of Gorkon just because they wanted to keep the war going)...
For me, the very point of Section 31's existence in DS9 was that Starfleet was actually complicit in what they were doing. They were committing horrific, unspeakable things for the good of the Federation (or so they claimed), and Starfleet was actually quite happy letting them do their dirty work for them. Basically, Starfleet has let Section 31 do their thing because their actions have been ultimately to the Federation's benefit and this way Starfleet doesn't have to morally compromise itself for the safety of the Federation.
And not to mention, they were eventually proven wrong at the end of DS9... after all their efforts to make the Dominion collapse by committing genocide against the Founders (and remember, the Federation Council did vote not to share the cure because it was too risky), Odo ended the entire war in less than a minute by curing the Female Founder himself and agreeing to return home.
For me, the very point of Section 31's existence in DS9 was that Starfleet was actually complicit in what they were doing. They were committing horrific, unspeakable things for the good of the Federation (or so they claimed), and Starfleet was actually quite happy letting them do their dirty work for them. Basically, Starfleet has let Section 31 do their thing because their actions have been ultimately to the Federation's benefit and this way Starfleet doesn't have to morally compromise itself for the safety of the Federation.
And not to mention, they were eventually proven wrong at the end of DS9... after all their efforts to make the Dominion collapse by committing genocide against the Founders (and remember, the Federation Council did vote not to share the cure because it was too risky), Odo ended the entire war in less than a minute by curing the Female Founder himself and agreeing to return home.
This is exactly how I feel. I even booed.
Because one of the rather odd (or maybe "interesting" or "creepy" are better words?) implication about Section 31 is that its members are almost exclusively humans. While Section 31 claims to be protecting the liberty and freedom of the Federation as a whole, I get the impression that making sure Earth remains the dominant party in the Federation is pretty high on their list of priorities.
Section 31 are the bad guys, so I'm not really sure why increasing their diversity would make that much of a difference...
Do it, send us all free copies
It'll probably end up being logic extremists...
Holy shit, I've just figured out the plot for Season 2's premier. Someone sabotaged the Enterprise's engines, and evidence points to Spock being a logic extremist, and Burnham has to investigate to help clear his name while also navigating the thorny relationship between Spock and Sarek only it turns out Section 31 is behind the sabotage and they were trying to implicate Spock as a way of curtailing growing Vulcan representation within Starfleet.
Placing an early bet...
Don't worry, they're coming.
Even though that was the plot in the film?
Section 31 is trite and conceptually deficient. The Borg, however, while not exactly original, were a fresh and unique take on an old idea. They may have been misused over time, but they offered something different. There was (and still is) the Section 31 equivalent on every other show on TV.
That's not to say the Disco writers aren't perfectly capable of mucking the Borg up. But equating the two is pretty silly.
Then why does something very much like Section 31 continue to exist throughout the history of authoritarian and even democratic governments?
For that matter, why is the debate over whether or not Section 31 should exist still raging among fandom?
So the Borg, like Section 31, should avoid some of the tired cliches and tropes that are over-represented in science fiction, yes?
The confirmed at wonder con that he will be in the next season with the same actor
Hell there is a thread below this one about that
