Trek XII must feature a Bolian prominently or I'm boycotting the film.
Bolians
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Nor does canon dispute that they are members.
Tam Elbrun works for the Federation, and Deanna Troi is in Starfleet, Betazed is a Federation member.
Jean-Luc Picard is a Starfleet Officer, and to everyone's knowledge, Earth is a Federation member.
Spock served on the Enterprise and one day became a ambassador, Vulcan is a Federation member.
What would really be a great (and obvious) step, is in the next movie/series have it be mentioned that Bolians were the very next species to join the Federation after it's founding, and they have been a member only one year less than Earth, Vulcan, Andor, etc.
Good point (and good stat).
Sisko tells Nog that he can't join Starfleet specifically because Ferenginar isn't a Federation member. He's required to have a reference letter from Sisko. And it's only under extraordinary circumstances like DS9 was that a non-Federation member would even find himself in a position to have a Starfleet commander write them a reference letter. So the high percentage of Bolians running around starships does strongly suggest they're Federation.
Good point! You wouldn't want your enemies spies working on your ships where they know the strengths and weaknesses of the ships, and it's capabilities.
I mean...let's face it...the Cardassians and the Klingons could hire some Ferengis to spies on the Federations for some ships secrets or some other classified information.
I mean...let's face it...the Cardassians and the Klingons could hire some Ferengis to spies on the Federations for some ships secrets or some other classified information.
Except that Bolians aren't Ferengi, and if Bolarus has very strong diplomatic ties with the Federation or is being considered/on the verge to being integrated into it, then I see no problem about a specific % of Bolians working on SF ships.
And the number of Bolians seen working in SF or the Federation in general in various positions can easily indicate they are strong allies but not a member.
I would imagine that the Federation could have something akin to bilateral agreements with Bolarus in that they get all the perks of membership without actually being a member (sort of like certain countries today have bilateral agreements with EU but aren't actual members).
Ferengi did not really have stellar diplomatic ties with the Federation, and they ended up attacking SF ships if it suited their needs.
Plus, Nog was NOT the most trustworthy individual on Ds9 when it came to Sisko (who from what we've seen didn't take his application seriously at the start and wanted to do/say anything to nip what he saw as a 'whim' in the bud).
And the number of Bolians seen working in SF or the Federation in general in various positions can easily indicate they are strong allies but not a member.
I would imagine that the Federation could have something akin to bilateral agreements with Bolarus in that they get all the perks of membership without actually being a member (sort of like certain countries today have bilateral agreements with EU but aren't actual members).
Ferengi did not really have stellar diplomatic ties with the Federation, and they ended up attacking SF ships if it suited their needs.
Plus, Nog was NOT the most trustworthy individual on Ds9 when it came to Sisko (who from what we've seen didn't take his application seriously at the start and wanted to do/say anything to nip what he saw as a 'whim' in the bud).
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Yet the US military was teeming with Germans in both World Wars, many of them at flag rank. Their ethnic background was less important than their political views and allegiance.
You would want your enemies' representatives working for you, as they would know the strengths and weaknesses of the ships of the enemy!
Regardless, there's no reason to think Bolarus would be a UFP enemy even if it is not a member.
Timo Saloniemi
Worf's a naturalised Federation citizen since he spent his life after Khitomer living in the UFP. i mean, we're talking over ten years here, that qualifies you as a citizen in most territories these days i think. plus, if he was legally adopted by Sergei and Helena, that gives him even more citizenship status.
In the Federation, you would likely be able to become a citizen in far less than 10 years.
Numerous individuals who request asylums on SF ships would be able to pick/choose where they wish to go... and were even offered to remain on ships or work in the Federation.
Their system at the very least has a much faster and less painful process compared to what we have today.
That still doesn't negate the premise.
Worf was a Klingon and had strong ties to his heritage.
Also... what about Khey'ar ... or whatever her name was?
She was Alexanders mother... granted a Human/Klingon hybrid, but still.
I would assume that her and Worf, as well as Alexander and even B'Elanna Torres for that matter probably have dual citizenship in both the Federation and Klingon Empire.
For all we know, Torres could be citizen of an independent colony loosely associated with the UFP...
Citizenship is probably largely unrelated to one's biological makeup - and both of these are uncoupled from the political alliances of one's birthplace unless otherwise established, as no star empire yet depicted in Trek has a "tied to the turf" rule wherein an individual can never abandon his or her birthplace.
Timo Saloniemi
Citizenship is probably largely unrelated to one's biological makeup - and both of these are uncoupled from the political alliances of one's birthplace unless otherwise established, as no star empire yet depicted in Trek has a "tied to the turf" rule wherein an individual can never abandon his or her birthplace.
Timo Saloniemi
How so? There's no particular reason to think that the Bolians in Starfleet should be citizens of Bolarus, either. They are more likely to be UFP citizens, even if their birthworld (or the birthworld of their great-grandparents) is a UFP political opponent.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
Her father is a citizen of the Federation, and her mother a citizen of the Klingon Empire. As their child, she'd be likely entitled to dual citizenship in her parents' homelands. Isn't that how it works in the real world with people whose parents have citizenship in different countries?
That is true if the country you speak of allows it. Some countries will no allow dual citizenships...but the United States does...
And even if you are natural borned American citizen which you ancestors could be traced back many generation and joined the a foreign government or get involved like running for office, you automatically forfid your citizenship.
And even if you are natural borned American citizen which you ancestors could be traced back many generation and joined the a foreign government or get involved like running for office, you automatically forfid your citizenship.
Yeah, but the thing of it is, even if State A does not allow its citizens to have dual citizenship, State A has no authority over whom State B regards as its citizens.
So you can have a situation where, say, Bob is a citizen of the Republic of Green, and the Republic of Green does not allow its citizens to have dual citizenship -- yet the Republic of Blue still regards Bob as one of its citizens, too, irrelevant of what the Republic of Green says. So the Republic of Green does not recognize Bob's Blue citizenship, but the Republic of Blue doesn't care if the Republic of Green recognizes its granting of citizenship to Bob.
Well, not exactly. First off, you typically have to end up in a policy position in that foreign government; you don't just lose your United States citizenship if you move to Canada and take a job processing driver's license applications for the Ontario BMV.
Fighting for a foreign military or serving in a high-level policy position in a foreign government is grounds for the United States government to strip you of your citizenship without your consent, but it's not automatic. The decision has to be made and then enacted by the State Department.
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FWIW, Bolarus is a definite Federation Member in the novels. In fact, the Federation President who replaced Jaresh-Inyo and led the Federation through the Dominion War was a Bolian male named Min Zife.
...Although that is only relevant if the law sez a President needs to be born a citizen, and some other law sez that being born a UFP citizen calls for being born into a species whose principal governing body is a UFP member at the time. These two laws have not been explicated in aired Trek, but they might have been explicated in written Trek. They do sound more than a tad racist, though.
Timo Saloniemi
Timo Saloniemi
