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Blu-Ray just not "catching on"

Why would I spend $250 (at the very least) for a player, and $30 for movies when I can buy a $20 DVD player and the same movie for $5-$15?

I bought a $35 DVD player in May 2004, it's still going strong.


You would if you enjoy a higher quality movie presentation.

Don't forget, you'd need a tv and sound system thats capable of reproducing the higher quality.

That's added cost for most people.
 
So, can Sony offer us some kind of incentive for purchasing a Blu-ray player, such as purchase a player and receive 5 Blu-ray movies for free? :borg:
 
few things..

they have shit packaging. its fucking blue! and the wrong size

they are caleld 'blu-ray' like Blu-tac

you have to pay for them, which is long! you can DL films of the same quality..

The packaging is just as sturdy as DVD, AND is smaller, thus taking up less shelf space.

As for downloading HD content --

a) it's illegal (most of the time)
b) with most bandwidth speed limitations and download caps, it's prohibitively slow and expensive to download an HD movie. Guaranteed, it will remain this way for the next, AT LEAST, 6-10 years.
c) DVD isn't a much better name than "blu-ray"


but DVD doesent have it etched into the case....

yes its smaller.. and therefore looks out of place next to DVDs.. do you really think i care about saving shelf space at the top of the disc case? or do you think i am gonna chuck out my current DVDs and buy them in Bluray..

i dunno what 'emofag' isp u have but the one i have allows me to download fuckloads and the stuff is very easy to find.. even dum people can download stuff. you just have to click on the links! for daves sake..
 
Well, I'm buying my first ever Blu-Ray and I don't even have a player. That said, it's the special edition of The Dark Knight. Outside of that I don't intend to purchase any other blu-rays until/unless I get a player. I do continue to purchase DVDs often, though.
 
You know, I "only" have a 42" Toshiba 42500U 720p LCD HDTV, but it looks absolutely fantastic. The TV, the DVD upconverter we have, 5.1 channel surround sound system, coupled with Iron Man on DVD, was an absolutely breathtaking experience. The detail was incredible. I thought the upconverter did a great job. I don't think Blu-Ray would be for me, either. From what some people have been saying (not here), my 720p isn't high definition enough to warrant it.


J.
 
Blu-Ray is a worthy format if only because it allows one to use screencaps as desktop wallpapers. :lol:
 
Blu-Ray is a worthy format if only because it allows one to use screencaps as desktop wallpapers. :lol:

:lol: I'd not considered that. I'll have to try to think of film frames which might make good desktops. How clear were the shots of the Argonath in The Fellowship of the Ring?
 
This is another reason I'm in no hurry to go Blu-Ray.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/DreamStream/RDM/prweb1540224.htm


Los Angeles (PRWEB) October 29, 2008 -- DreamStream has signed on to encrypt Royal Digital Media's new optical media format. The agreement will allow RDM to employ DreamStream's military-strength encryption in the copyright protection of their high-definition discs.

The deal marks the first time a military-grade encryption has been implemented in the copyright protection of commercial motion picture discs.

"DreamStream and RDM's technologies align perfectly, as they both rest exponentially beyond the standards currently being employed," said DreamStream's Chief Development Officer Ulf Diebel, in a statement issued at the signing in Paris.

DreamStream is the first company to implement a 2,048-bit encryption in consumer media. AES encryption, used in Sony's Blu-ray discs, relies on only a 128-bit system.

In 2006, a hacker known as "Muslix64" defeated Blu-ray's encryption. Since that time, Sony's system has been faced with continual security breaches and tremendous losses due to piracy.

RDM has developed a high-definition system that exceeds the capabilities of Blu-ray. RDM's technology offers storage capacity for up to 100 GB on a single disc. Blu-ray discs can only hold 50 GB of data. Due to RDM's increase in storage capacity, their system is able to offer display qualities that greatly exceed conventional, 1080p, high-definition.

"RDM's format will transform perceptions of high-definition," said Diebel. "RDM's system is able to display the next generation of high-definition: 1920p. With this advancement in technology, true digital cinema will soon be a widespread reality."

For consumers, RDM's increase in storage capacity allows for a single disc to hold approximately four hours of video content at 1920p resolution.

Because RDM's system is based on inexpensive red laser technology, their players are expected to sell for much less than Sony's, which routinely sell for hundreds of dollars. The high price of Blu-ray players has been credited for the technology's slow public reception.

The retail prices for RDM's players and discs are expected to "equal those of the traditional DVD format, greatly undercutting Blu-ray," said Diebel.

"The mission of RDM is to replace traditional DVD technologies with a comprehensive, next generation HD system," said Eugene Levich, RDM's chief executive officer. "The industry's problem, which Sony has been unable to solve with Blu-ray, is how to transition into HD without destroying the existing DVD industry or gouging the pocketbooks of consumers. We have the solution and can solve this without having to drastically overhaul the entire infrastructure of DVD production."

RDM's technology can be implemented into existing DVD production processes through the integration of a proprietary software and firmware system. The only potential hardware modification is, "at most, the simple replacement of a single chip," said Levich. As such, existing DVD manufacturers will be able to integrate RDM's technology with only minor modifications to their production processes.

RDM's players are backwards compatible and able to read traditional CDs and DVDs. Moreover, an innovation in data processing enables RDM's players to "drastically enhance the playback quality of regular DVD content," said Diebel.

The incorporation of DreamStream's encryption into RDM's system will thwart the piracy of digital content. The content of RDM's discs will only be able to be read by RDM's players. Thus, ensuring that the content cannot be copied and illegally distributed.

"Because of the extreme marketability of RDM's technology, this deal is very valuable to DreamStream," said Diebel. "The projected value of this contract is more than $200 million over the next five years."

RDM's format is scheduled to become publically available by the beginning of 2009. Two retailers have already placed orders for the first run of RDM's players. RDM is currently in negotiations to release their technology throughout Europe and Asia.

DreamStream's security capabilities are achieved through the use of their proprietary, 30-round, 2,048-bit European Encryption Solution (EES). More information on DreamStream can be found at http://www.dreamstream.info.

Looks like there is a new kid on the block....
 
^ Not really even a factor, in my opinion, because there aren't even any 1920P televisions available, nor are there likely to be in the near future. Heck, nobody even broadcasts in 1080P, I don't think, yet.
 
^ Not really even a factor, in my opinion, because there aren't even any 1920P televisions available, nor are there likely to be in the near future. Heck, nobody even broadcasts in 1080P, I don't think, yet.

Well, there is the whole thing with it being way cheaper and having more disc space. And not requiring an incompatible player.
 
^ Not really even a factor, in my opinion, because there aren't even any 1920P televisions available, nor are there likely to be in the near future. Heck, nobody even broadcasts in 1080P, I don't think, yet.

Well, there is the whole thing with it being way cheaper and having more disc space. And not requiring an incompatible player.

Yep and more future proof.
 
Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it.
I mean, technically holographic storage exists too but it's not like I can buy a holographic disk player and a holographic disk from the Walmart down the street.
 
Whatever is "the next big thing in hi-definition," you can bet I will be purchasing Watchmen and Star Trek XI on it by the end of 2009.
 
The visual quality upgrade just isn't quite there for me to want to upgrade. From the viewing distance I have, DVDs look great on my 42" LCD. When I am three feet or closer, they look bad, but my couch is a good 6-8 feet away. I have watched high-def movies on the TV and they do look great, but not great enough to really want to go and upgrade.

TV HD movies do not look as good as BD HD movies. Plus, there's the audio quality to consider, which rocks if you have a receiver that supports it. Yes, better than DVD audio, believe it or not.
 
^ Not really even a factor, in my opinion, because there aren't even any 1920P televisions available, nor are there likely to be in the near future. Heck, nobody even broadcasts in 1080P, I don't think, yet.

Well, there is the whole thing with it being way cheaper and having more disc space. And not requiring an incompatible player.

Yep and more future proof.

Not at all a given. Blu-Ray has a major head start and just because something is "better" doesn't mean that it will be embraced by the public. Remember beta?

Not to mention, if you think that Blu-Ray isn't that much of an improvement over DVD, then surely you will see even less improvement of this new format over Blu-Ray. Unless people start routinely having 100+ inch screens, I think Blu-Ray is plenty good enough for the foreseeable future.
 
I'm just going to stop trying to convince people. All I'll say is that Blu-Ray = teh reeelee reelee good.
 
I'm just going to stop trying to convince people. All I'll say is that Blu-Ray = teh reeelee reelee good.
It's not a question of whether it's really good or not. I think everyone will agree that it's an improvement over DVDs.

It's just a question of whether it's worth the investment, and for a lot of people, it's not.
 
I don't know about the "everyone will agree" part. People here seem to go out of their way to say they can't see any difference between DVD and Blu-Ray. And then you've got those people who stretch their 4:3 pictures to fill their widescreen TVs who are on another planet all together.
 
Well, there is the whole thing with it being way cheaper and having more disc space. And not requiring an incompatible player.

Yep and more future proof.

Not at all a given. Blu-Ray has a major head start and just because something is "better" doesn't mean that it will be embraced by the public. Remember beta?

Not to mention, if you think that Blu-Ray isn't that much of an improvement over DVD, then surely you will see even less improvement of this new format over Blu-Ray. Unless people start routinely having 100+ inch screens, I think Blu-Ray is plenty good enough for the foreseeable future.

How is a tad over 2 years a major head start especially when it hasn't really caught on?

Also, did you miss this part?

"Because RDM's system is based on inexpensive red laser technology, their players are expected to sell for much less than Sony's, which routinely sell for hundreds of dollars. The high price of Blu-ray players has been credited for the technology's slow public reception.

The retail prices for RDM's players and discs are expected to "equal those of the traditional DVD format, greatly undercutting Blu-ray," said Diebel."

Both the players and disks will be cheaper.
That my friend will make a big difference. ;)

Which brings me to question if this was the rumored MS "forward compatibility" for the next 360.
It might also explain why MS will not make an add on Blu-ray for the 360.
If they use this tech on the next 360 there won't be any game that wouldn't fit on a disk.;)
 
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