Bleeding orange and green...or what?
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Actually I typed in 'Darth Sidious' and voila.
Typing in 'Galor' gets you the Starship that looks like a scorpion riding a Manta Ray.
Typing in 'Galor' gets you the Starship that looks like a scorpion riding a Manta Ray.
Wow. That looks like a Galor-class, all right!
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2007/november/images/sea-scorpion_12838_1.jpg
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/about-us/news/2007/november/images/sea-scorpion_12838_1.jpg
Hmm, did an ancient explorer ship from some long dead civilization take a number of those sea scorpions from Earth and leave them on Cardassia?
Without a doubt.
Really, it strikes me that a sapient species with the capabilities of the ancient humanoids is probably the least likely one in the whole galaxy to die out. It is far more likely that their untended experiments would go disastrously awry--as it surely did, many times, on Earth, unless it was all part of their plan, and they accurately predicted the late heavy bombardment, and the P-T and K-T extinctions amongst others, which is bewilderingly advanced.
Given this, I wonder if the Progenitors and Battlestar Galactica's God are the same people. They both go to insane lengths to accomplish very questionable goals.
It also seems very unlikely that you can code humanity into a prokaryote, which were probably the only thing that would have existed when the progenitors were doing their thing, at all. Even if you could, surely it would have been noticed very rapidly that the staggering amounts of junk DNA in virtually every life form on every planet visited by the progenitors coded the same information as what is likely to have been the most studied DNA on any of those planets, that of the humanoid being.
There is also a question of physical possibility of the progenitors' carbon-based evolution beginning perhaps as far back as nine to ten billion years ago. Astrophysically speaking, that long ago, did sufficient concentrations of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen and other materials vital for life-as-we-know-it exist?
Die out, of external reasons? Probably not. Die out, of internal reasons? No doubt sooner or later. Mutate into something that doesn't leave much mark on the galaxy, unless a nostalgic memorial is erected? That seems a given.
I wouldn't call that particularly distastrous. One planet here or there... Who's counting? And it seems they succeeded on Earth twice, producing both the Voth and the Humans, and may succeed a number of times still before Sol goes out.
It probably was. I mean, it's a no-brainer: build in the code that perverts natural evolution into humanoid evolution, and let events run their course so that the galaxy always stays populated with humanoids. A given planet may produce anything from zero to half a dozen humanoid cultures, and on the average, the plan will proceed unsupervised till all eternity.
And our heroes did notice it, eventually. It takes a bit of starfaring to accomplish, though, since without interstellar comparisons, one wouldn't be aware of what constitutes "humanoid DNA".
However, the actual Progenitor plan wasn't coded in base pairs AFAWK. Only the message sent to future generations was. And even that message probably relied on levels of information storage that weren't evident at mere molecular level.
If anything, astrophysics today is tending toward an increasingly early introduction of stars as we know them - thus, also second-generation stars capable of sprouting life-friendly systems. I wouldn't sweat the odds of one planet out of billions being life-generating and life-sustaining early on in the Trek history, then, especially not when apparently most planets are that way in the present time. Although the latter might be due to extensive terraforming. And that is probably the work of the Progenitors, directly or indirectly: by engineering a specific type of technological sentience to be prevalent, they'd also dictate what sort of geomanipulation that sentience would perform, and thus all their offspring would be producing the same sort of planets...
Timo Saloniemi
^^ It's unlikely, but not completely impossible. Most measurements of the age of the Universe fall between 12-14 billion years. In the first 2 billion years of that time, it is believed that no stars contained planetary systems. There wasn't enough spare material for the formation of rocks or dust. Carbon can only be formed in a star that has become a red giant, in other words, a star that has entered approximately the last 10% of its lifespan. Because it is difficult to pinpoint accurate time frames for things that happened that long ago, most astronomers say hundreds of millions to several billion years passed before the formation of carbon. If it was just hundreds of millions of years, then yes, it would be possible for carbon to have been around by then, but there would have been no planets to sustain life from that carbon. Even if we assume that planets started forming after 2 billion years, it would have taken a great deal of time for any of those new planets to become habitable. It's an awfully big stretch.
What I have personally wondered would be, what is the vector for the seeding? I've always thought it had to be a retrovirus of some sort, something programmed to be extremely stable and maintain its code over billions of years so that it can repeatedly guide the evolution of the target species...in other words, one HECK of a technological accomplishment. Especially when you consider that we've seen it work on mammalians of varying biochemistries (humans, Vulcans), therapsids (Cardassians), reptilians (Voth), and other forms entirely.
Whether this is actually feasible or not, I'm not sure and rather doubt, but it's the only explanation I can come up with in the context of the Star Trek universe.
Whether this is actually feasible or not, I'm not sure and rather doubt, but it's the only explanation I can come up with in the context of the Star Trek universe.
I'm enjoying it, too, and I do also enjoy the aforementioned symbol of the Glorious Cardassian Union, but I'm not sure I enjoy it for the same reason other people, possibly more normal people (possibly not
And in what is either an important connection or an astonishing coincidence, a individual extremely physically similar to the Cardassian we know as 'Elim Garak' - although apparently of human appearance - was known on Earth in the beginning of the 8th decade of the 20th century, as 'Scorpio Killer', until he was shot dead by one Inspector Harry Callahan.
And in what is either an important connection or an astonishing coincidence, a individual extremely physically similar to the Cardassian we know as 'Elim Garak' - although apparently of human appearance - was known on Earth in the beginning of the 8th decade of the 20th century, as 'Scorpio Killer', until he was shot dead by one Inspector Harry Callahan.
OMG, I can't stop laughing!
LOL- yeah, when I first saw the thread I thought it'd be something re: Cath. vs. Prot. in Ireland!
My Bruises are usually purple, will turn brown then yellow... Scars turn purple when fresh, then I can tan to fade them... burns turn brown tho- like severe ones...
Nope, they don't mention it... I don't think they put that much thought in it.
What's common? Bruises/scars appearing purple? Or am I misreading you?
Bruises/scars being purple. A lot of umm... parts, of non-white people are purple, when on a white person, they'd be pink. That includes scars and bruises, in my case...
My experience has been that it's more of a dark brown, but that could just be a different in terminology. Which makes sense, as my understanding was it's just a melanin concentration issue--with the skin simply not being transparent enough to visual wavelengths for the blood to reflect light to our eyes.
My girlfriend of Korean-American (German-Jewish-muttish) descent has pinkish scars that veer toward the purple, I suppose, but I've never given it that much thought. My scars tend to be white--probably showing that the melanin concentration in the incorrectly reconstructed skin tissue is lower. Her scars also tend to be hypertrophic, with raised deposits of collagen, while mine tend to heal flat.
My Bruises are usually purple, will turn brown then yellow... Scars turn purple when fresh, then I can tan to fade them... burns turn brown tho- like severe ones...
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Nope, they don't mention it... I don't think they put that much thought in it.
Have you got a link? There are a LOT of Star Trek wikis, so it would help to determine the type of source you have (canon, lit, or fanon) if we could actually see the link.
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