Bleach - Anime Disscussion (Spoilers)
- Thread starter Technobuilder
- Start date
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
^Thanks
I've been sick the past few days, and it completely slipped my mind.
^Thanks
I've been sick the past few days, and it completely slipped my mind.
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
In this flashback chapter so far Hiyori is certainly acting worse than the princess did at the beginning. Only, the princess got her position by accident of birth. Hiyori supposedly earned hers.
I am very interested to find out what qualifications she actually has. What I have seen so far makes me wonder as well why everyone lets Hiyori act like that. It seems Urahara sees something in her I can`t. He treats her the way a toddler having a temper tantrum should be treated: Don`t let it get to you, ignore it and let the thunderstorm move past you. When they find out that temper tantrums are a useless effort and don`t get them anywhere, it will stop. Towards the end of the episode I could see that it started to work here too.
The Soul Society has already shown that there are a few dark secrets and the Magot`s Nest seems to be another one. Yes, the next episode should be interesting.
In this flashback chapter so far Hiyori is certainly acting worse than the princess did at the beginning. Only, the princess got her position by accident of birth. Hiyori supposedly earned hers.
I am very interested to find out what qualifications she actually has. What I have seen so far makes me wonder as well why everyone lets Hiyori act like that. It seems Urahara sees something in her I can`t. He treats her the way a toddler having a temper tantrum should be treated: Don`t let it get to you, ignore it and let the thunderstorm move past you. When they find out that temper tantrums are a useless effort and don`t get them anywhere, it will stop. Towards the end of the episode I could see that it started to work here too.
The Soul Society has already shown that there are a few dark secrets and the Magot`s Nest seems to be another one. Yes, the next episode should be interesting.
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
I enjoyed this episode quite a bit.
My absolute favorite part both from a story standpoint, visual standpoint, & character standpoint had to be the scene near the very end where Captain Hirako Shinji is walking away from speaking with Urahara and just casually tears down the veil of Aizen's Zanpakuto. Up until that point, it had never been shown that anyone could do such a thing and the look on Aizen's face was awesome.
In regards to Hiyori, I didn't mind her tantrums, but maybe that's because of how she was introduced initially as a Vizard earlier in the manga, and I'm just looking for the Flashback arc to explain her tendancies and motivations a bit more. Obviously it's a behavior she never gives up, and other than arising out of a sense of "abandonment" I'd like to see why such behavior continues to exist 110 years later... Of coruse, with the long life spans of Shinigami, I can guess that maybe they mature less quickly emotionally. Most of the other Captains, Vice-Captians, & Seated Soldiers seem to have their own personality quirks, maybe that's just the way things are in Soul Society.
I enjoyed this episode quite a bit.
My absolute favorite part both from a story standpoint, visual standpoint, & character standpoint had to be the scene near the very end where Captain Hirako Shinji is walking away from speaking with Urahara and just casually tears down the veil of Aizen's Zanpakuto. Up until that point, it had never been shown that anyone could do such a thing and the look on Aizen's face was awesome.
In regards to Hiyori, I didn't mind her tantrums, but maybe that's because of how she was introduced initially as a Vizard earlier in the manga, and I'm just looking for the Flashback arc to explain her tendancies and motivations a bit more. Obviously it's a behavior she never gives up, and other than arising out of a sense of "abandonment" I'd like to see why such behavior continues to exist 110 years later... Of coruse, with the long life spans of Shinigami, I can guess that maybe they mature less quickly emotionally. Most of the other Captains, Vice-Captians, & Seated Soldiers seem to have their own personality quirks, maybe that's just the way things are in Soul Society.
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
Yes, it seems this flashback chapter is also exploring Aizen`s powers more and this is something I welcome very much. That scene towards the end was definitely interesting, I agree! From what I have learned by looking around a bit on the Internet it seems this chapter will be going on for quite a while. That gives me hope that Aizen`s motivations and that of his followers will also be explored. As much as I enjoy the Hueco Mundo chapters, more background will make it more three dimensional.
I agree that Hiyori hasn`t changed much comparing this flashback with how she is in present day. I see the point that Shinigami age much more slowly but not everyone who is that young acts like this. Toshiro Hitsugaya, the captain who very much looks like a young boy, is a good example. I was also impressed about the princess` husband.
I would like to see that Hiyori is a good vice-captain in spite of her violent temper. She is obviously lashing out at everybody because she can`t process the sudden changes in her life but hopefully she will get her temper at least somewhat under control soon. It seems Urahara is using the right way to help her.
Hm, I think having powers in Bleach means having quirks
. Ishigo seems to be half Shinigami, Ishida as a Quincy is not a “normal” human either and Chad and Orihime certainly have quirks, too.
Yes, it seems this flashback chapter is also exploring Aizen`s powers more and this is something I welcome very much. That scene towards the end was definitely interesting, I agree! From what I have learned by looking around a bit on the Internet it seems this chapter will be going on for quite a while. That gives me hope that Aizen`s motivations and that of his followers will also be explored. As much as I enjoy the Hueco Mundo chapters, more background will make it more three dimensional.
I agree that Hiyori hasn`t changed much comparing this flashback with how she is in present day. I see the point that Shinigami age much more slowly but not everyone who is that young acts like this. Toshiro Hitsugaya, the captain who very much looks like a young boy, is a good example. I was also impressed about the princess` husband.
I would like to see that Hiyori is a good vice-captain in spite of her violent temper. She is obviously lashing out at everybody because she can`t process the sudden changes in her life but hopefully she will get her temper at least somewhat under control soon. It seems Urahara is using the right way to help her.
Hm, I think having powers in Bleach means having quirks
. Ishigo seems to be half Shinigami, Ishida as a Quincy is not a “normal” human either and Chad and Orihime certainly have quirks, too.
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
Yeah, that part was certainly jaw dropping. It also shows how relative in power the current captains are to the past captains/soon to be Visoreds. I'd sure like to know how Shinji can do that and yet Aizen can totally screw over everyone else later on. Maybe the technique had flaws back then and he improved it in 100 years?
Yeah, that part was certainly jaw dropping. It also shows how relative in power the current captains are to the past captains/soon to be Visoreds. I'd sure like to know how Shinji can do that and yet Aizen can totally screw over everyone else later on. Maybe the technique had flaws back then and he improved it in 100 years?
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
I am sure Aizen kept working at getting more powerful. But I also think Aizen was busy to either remove people who can be a danger to him or get them to work for him. Aizen is a master at manipulating people. I think we can be sure that we will see more of this in the coming weeks.
I am sure Aizen kept working at getting more powerful. But I also think Aizen was busy to either remove people who can be a danger to him or get them to work for him. Aizen is a master at manipulating people. I think we can be sure that we will see more of this in the coming weeks.
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
^I know I'm looking forward to it.
I may know the basic outline of what's about to go down via glancing at the Manga, but for the most part I'm looking for to the details of how everything ends up playing out.
Bring on 208.
^I know I'm looking forward to it.
I may know the basic outline of what's about to go down via glancing at the Manga, but for the most part I'm looking for to the details of how everything ends up playing out.
Bring on 208.
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
208 is out now.
208 is out now.
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
Im glad to hear that bleach has somewhat returned to non-filler. Personally though, i wish they would take a hint from Kyoto Animation and instead of producing one massive continuing series, make smaller self contained seasons of bleach. Something along the lines of how Full Metal panic was handled. Turn each season into an event that people are waiting to see rather than water down the production values and churn out crap on a regular basis.
Im glad to hear that bleach has somewhat returned to non-filler. Personally though, i wish they would take a hint from Kyoto Animation and instead of producing one massive continuing series, make smaller self contained seasons of bleach. Something along the lines of how Full Metal panic was handled. Turn each season into an event that people are waiting to see rather than water down the production values and churn out crap on a regular basis.
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
^I'm in agreement with you on that.
I wouldn't mind a production break here and there, if it meant ensuring quality storytelling.
I'm honestly at a loss why many anime series think substandard filler arcs are a good idea in the first place.
Naruto pretty much killed my interest in that series after 2 years of filler. And some of their stories where great in it's prime. I haven't been keeping current with it since just after Naruto: Shippuden launched, so I can't really say what it's like now, but thankfully Bleach still keeps me interested when they stick to the page and don't try improvising too much.
^I'm in agreement with you on that.
I wouldn't mind a production break here and there, if it meant ensuring quality storytelling.
I'm honestly at a loss why many anime series think substandard filler arcs are a good idea in the first place.
Naruto pretty much killed my interest in that series after 2 years of filler. And some of their stories where great in it's prime. I haven't been keeping current with it since just after Naruto: Shippuden launched, so I can't really say what it's like now, but thankfully Bleach still keeps me interested when they stick to the page and don't try improvising too much.
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
Some interesting revelations about "retired" Soul Reapers in this one. We also got background on Mayuri Kurosuchi and Gin Ichimaru. I'm personally interested in seeing where
Some interesting revelations about "retired" Soul Reapers in this one. We also got background on Mayuri Kurosuchi and Gin Ichimaru. I'm personally interested in seeing where
Ichigo's dad fit into Soul Society and how he knew Urahara and came to be exiled.
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
Contains spoilers for episode 208
I am very impressed: This chapter is getting more and more interesting!
It seems I was right when I had the feeling that the Maggot`s Nest is another one of the Soul Society`s dark secrets. I can understand that some of these prisoners are dangerous but it is also a convenient dumping ground for troublemakers and otherwise unwanted individuals who haven`t done anything wrong but might be dangerous in future. They have been put there after secret trials. Sounds familiar? I couldn`t help it: I had to think of Guantanamo Bay. The Maggot`s Nest is worse because its existence is kept a secret and it seems these are automatic life sentences. Keeping in mind that the Shinigami at the very least can live much longer than a human that is a very long time indeed. On the other hand, this took place a long time ago. Have things changed? I hope we will find out.
I know that Urahara founded the Technological Research Bureau of the Soul Society and I expected to see in this chapter how this happened. But I didn`t expect him to be the jailer of the Maggot`s Nest and that it was him who placed Mayuri into the position to eventually become his successor. That Mayuri was put in a cell in this facility does not surprise me. When Urahara mentioned that only one prisoner was locked up like this, I immediately thought of him. Mayuri is definitely a brilliant scientist but without any scruples. He is a dangerous sadist who was and still is responsible for dreadful atrocities. I am not only thinking of what he did to the Quincies including Ishida`s grandfather and Ishida himself. I know that the ethics within the Soul Society leave somewhat to be desired but I never understood why Mayuri seems to have the freedom to do his research and act the way he wants.
That Urahara set this man free and let him work for him surprised me a lot. This is not what I would have expected of him. I hope Urahara won`t be revealed to be a villain but it seems he is at the very least incredibly naïve. I am really wondering why nobody stopped Urahara. I understand his desire to try to find a way to help these people but he should also know better than most that not every threat can be turned into an asset.
At least Hiyori has no reason any more to believe that her new captain is weak. Like her, I was impressed by his skills at unarmed combat.
Seeing Byakuya Kuchiki as a youngster was interesting. He certainly changed over the years! Which makes me wonder about something else: It seems most Shinigami grow up and then their aging slows down considerably. But for some reasons there are exceptions like Hiyori and Toshiro Hitsugaya who still look like young children after more than 100 years.
It was also interesting to see that Aizen obviously groomed Gin from early on to work for him. It explains a lot.
I can`t wait for the next episode!
Contains spoilers for episode 208
I am very impressed: This chapter is getting more and more interesting!
It seems I was right when I had the feeling that the Maggot`s Nest is another one of the Soul Society`s dark secrets. I can understand that some of these prisoners are dangerous but it is also a convenient dumping ground for troublemakers and otherwise unwanted individuals who haven`t done anything wrong but might be dangerous in future. They have been put there after secret trials. Sounds familiar? I couldn`t help it: I had to think of Guantanamo Bay. The Maggot`s Nest is worse because its existence is kept a secret and it seems these are automatic life sentences. Keeping in mind that the Shinigami at the very least can live much longer than a human that is a very long time indeed. On the other hand, this took place a long time ago. Have things changed? I hope we will find out.
I know that Urahara founded the Technological Research Bureau of the Soul Society and I expected to see in this chapter how this happened. But I didn`t expect him to be the jailer of the Maggot`s Nest and that it was him who placed Mayuri into the position to eventually become his successor. That Mayuri was put in a cell in this facility does not surprise me. When Urahara mentioned that only one prisoner was locked up like this, I immediately thought of him. Mayuri is definitely a brilliant scientist but without any scruples. He is a dangerous sadist who was and still is responsible for dreadful atrocities. I am not only thinking of what he did to the Quincies including Ishida`s grandfather and Ishida himself. I know that the ethics within the Soul Society leave somewhat to be desired but I never understood why Mayuri seems to have the freedom to do his research and act the way he wants.
That Urahara set this man free and let him work for him surprised me a lot. This is not what I would have expected of him. I hope Urahara won`t be revealed to be a villain but it seems he is at the very least incredibly naïve. I am really wondering why nobody stopped Urahara. I understand his desire to try to find a way to help these people but he should also know better than most that not every threat can be turned into an asset.
At least Hiyori has no reason any more to believe that her new captain is weak. Like her, I was impressed by his skills at unarmed combat.
Seeing Byakuya Kuchiki as a youngster was interesting. He certainly changed over the years! Which makes me wonder about something else: It seems most Shinigami grow up and then their aging slows down considerably. But for some reasons there are exceptions like Hiyori and Toshiro Hitsugaya who still look like young children after more than 100 years.
It was also interesting to see that Aizen obviously groomed Gin from early on to work for him. It explains a lot.
I can`t wait for the next episode!
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
About the fillers, I would agree with you two if the fillers would be of substandard quality. I don`t know many other Anime series but in the case of Bleach I don`t agree with it at all that its fillers are substandard.
I learned that the Bount seasons and also the new captain chapter are considered to be fillers. I enjoyed both stories a lot. I even enjoyed the more obvious filler, the recent ball game. I can only think of very few fillers I didn`t like much and they are first of all featuring the silly talking teddy bear I can`t stand.
Therefore I am hoping that the concept of Bleach won`t change and hopefully the series will run for many years to come. There is certainly more than enough story potential and a lot that is still waiting to be explored!
Hm, I think I give this spoiler protection thing a try:
About the fillers, I would agree with you two if the fillers would be of substandard quality. I don`t know many other Anime series but in the case of Bleach I don`t agree with it at all that its fillers are substandard.
I learned that the Bount seasons and also the new captain chapter are considered to be fillers. I enjoyed both stories a lot. I even enjoyed the more obvious filler, the recent ball game. I can only think of very few fillers I didn`t like much and they are first of all featuring the silly talking teddy bear I can`t stand.
Therefore I am hoping that the concept of Bleach won`t change and hopefully the series will run for many years to come. There is certainly more than enough story potential and a lot that is still waiting to be explored!
Hm, I think I give this spoiler protection thing a try:
I agree. I also think it is very interesting that Ichigo`s dad and Ishida`s dad know each other and that they both know Urahara, too. I am hoping they will appear again and I am waiting to see Ichigo`s face when he finds out the truth!
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
I believe alot of this is due to a lack of production breaks and what essentialy amounts to milking a cash cow. The issue is even more glaring in compared to the massive amount of good to great anime that has been coming out these past couple of seasons. If it was simply a production values issue than this can be forgiven (though in this department bleach hasnt exactly been standing out).
The stories have become tired, everything is incoherent with the recent injection of filler at random points and even the mangaka, Tite Kubo, is simply trying to milk the franchise by draging things out in the manga department as well. IMHO for the good of the bleach franchise they need to produce the show in seasons and plan on an actual end for the story.
If i thought highly of bleach, I might be inclined to agree. As it is though I find bleach to be pretty interesting in its manga form and sub-standard to say the least in its anime form, filler or no filler.
I believe alot of this is due to a lack of production breaks and what essentialy amounts to milking a cash cow. The issue is even more glaring in compared to the massive amount of good to great anime that has been coming out these past couple of seasons. If it was simply a production values issue than this can be forgiven (though in this department bleach hasnt exactly been standing out).
The stories have become tired, everything is incoherent with the recent injection of filler at random points and even the mangaka, Tite Kubo, is simply trying to milk the franchise by draging things out in the manga department as well. IMHO for the good of the bleach franchise they need to produce the show in seasons and plan on an actual end for the story.
3D Master
Rear Admiral
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
There will be an end to the story, and it's already planned; whatever the Mangaka ultimately writes down.
The Bount arc was horrible as far as I was concerned, it was slow and pandering, with characters just standing across from each other doing nothing instead of unleashing their abilities.
I noticed that the manga was being animated again less then 2 minutes in the episode after the Bount arc, and I don't even read the manga. That's how massive the difference was.
The "new captain and the princess arc" though, was friggin' amazing. It felt like it was from the manga; (except that it doesn't fit anywhere continuity wise), the story was fast fast-pased and an a fantastic bunch of new weapons and enemies were introduced, as well as giving an insight in Sereitei.
Naruto, though, is really, really bad. Of course, this is because the Naruto manga has gotten really really bad; there's only so much you can do if you want to stick to the manga. In fact, the manga is so bad, that no matter how bad the fillers got, the fillers are actually BETTER than the non-filler manga. And seeing as the Naruto Shippuuden fillers are actually GOOD, as in, pre-time-skip, just "Naruto" good, it means they are lightyears ahead of the manga.
There will be an end to the story, and it's already planned; whatever the Mangaka ultimately writes down.
The Bount arc was horrible as far as I was concerned, it was slow and pandering, with characters just standing across from each other doing nothing instead of unleashing their abilities.
I noticed that the manga was being animated again less then 2 minutes in the episode after the Bount arc, and I don't even read the manga. That's how massive the difference was.
The "new captain and the princess arc" though, was friggin' amazing. It felt like it was from the manga; (except that it doesn't fit anywhere continuity wise), the story was fast fast-pased and an a fantastic bunch of new weapons and enemies were introduced, as well as giving an insight in Sereitei.
Naruto, though, is really, really bad. Of course, this is because the Naruto manga has gotten really really bad; there's only so much you can do if you want to stick to the manga. In fact, the manga is so bad, that no matter how bad the fillers got, the fillers are actually BETTER than the non-filler manga. And seeing as the Naruto Shippuuden fillers are actually GOOD, as in, pre-time-skip, just "Naruto" good, it means they are lightyears ahead of the manga.
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
Bleach's quality goes up and down sometimes it's creative and cool other times it's tedious. I also don't like it as much as I used to during the first 65 episodes or so. Then again shows like these wouldn't usually rank in my top anime list anyway as they just tend to go on forever and then fizzle out with no resolution. They're definitely a good way to kill some time though. I'm much more interested in other things I'm watching now like Rideback, White Album, Tetsuwan Birdy Decode 2, and To Aru Majutsu no Index. Last year also had gems like Kurenai, Spice and Wolf, and Macross Frontier to name a few. Those all have the added advantage of being complete in one or two seasons.
Bleach's quality goes up and down sometimes it's creative and cool other times it's tedious. I also don't like it as much as I used to during the first 65 episodes or so. Then again shows like these wouldn't usually rank in my top anime list anyway as they just tend to go on forever and then fizzle out with no resolution. They're definitely a good way to kill some time though. I'm much more interested in other things I'm watching now like Rideback, White Album, Tetsuwan Birdy Decode 2, and To Aru Majutsu no Index. Last year also had gems like Kurenai, Spice and Wolf, and Macross Frontier to name a few. Those all have the added advantage of being complete in one or two seasons.
Last edited:
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
^Tetsuwan Birdy Decode 2
I cringe every time I see an anime title like this one.
But I guess that's just the pitfalls of Japanese to English Translation.
^Tetsuwan Birdy Decode 2
I cringe every time I see an anime title like this one.
But I guess that's just the pitfalls of Japanese to English Translation.
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
The translation is worse: Birdy the Mighty: Decode 2. The show, however, isn't bad it's science fiction and revolves around a kid who was in the wrong place at the wrong time and was killed by an alien Federation Investigator Birdy Cephon tracking alien criminals on Earth. In order to keep him alive while they make him a new body her superiors have put his consciousness into Birdy's body (also as punishment for her recklessness.). This is the 3rd installment in the franchise. The first was a short mini-series from the 90's and last year it was revived and expanded with Decode and this year we got Decode 2. Decode revolves around an alien criminal plot to test a devastating weapon on the "primitive" inhabitants of Earth. While Decode 2 revolves around Birdy investigating the whereabouts of escapees from a prison ship, but somebody is killing them off brutally one by one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4yMzzEnMz8
Anyway, yeah, the Japanese are fond of "Engrish", I believe the correct term is. Random bits of English thrown in songs or titles for no real reason at all other than it sounds foreign or cool. Just like if you travel to the southern states here you'll find ransom senseless Spanish all over the place.
The translation is worse: Birdy the Mighty: Decode 2. The show, however, isn't bad it's science fiction and revolves around a kid who was in the wrong place at the wrong time and was killed by an alien Federation Investigator Birdy Cephon tracking alien criminals on Earth. In order to keep him alive while they make him a new body her superiors have put his consciousness into Birdy's body (also as punishment for her recklessness.). This is the 3rd installment in the franchise. The first was a short mini-series from the 90's and last year it was revived and expanded with Decode and this year we got Decode 2. Decode revolves around an alien criminal plot to test a devastating weapon on the "primitive" inhabitants of Earth. While Decode 2 revolves around Birdy investigating the whereabouts of escapees from a prison ship, but somebody is killing them off brutally one by one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4yMzzEnMz8
Anyway, yeah, the Japanese are fond of "Engrish", I believe the correct term is. Random bits of English thrown in songs or titles for no real reason at all other than it sounds foreign or cool. Just like if you travel to the southern states here you'll find ransom senseless Spanish all over the place.
Last edited:
Re: Bleach - 206 (Spoilers)
Interesting
Being a German, I noticed not only the English but also the German in Bleach. I saw that the Bleach Mangas in German corrected the German mistakes made in the original but unfortunately it seems the German translations are based on the English Mangas. Sometimes they didn`t bother to translate English words and sometimes the translations into the German language are pretty bad. I was disappointed. Nevertheless, it is also interesting to be now so close to what is available in Japan.
Interesting
Being a German, I noticed not only the English but also the German in Bleach. I saw that the Bleach Mangas in German corrected the German mistakes made in the original but unfortunately it seems the German translations are based on the English Mangas. Sometimes they didn`t bother to translate English words and sometimes the translations into the German language are pretty bad. I was disappointed. Nevertheless, it is also interesting to be now so close to what is available in Japan.