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Bleach - Anime Disscussion (Spoilers)

It has been busy here since I left. I think I post my review of the new episode (#235) first and then I will have a closer look at this interesting discussion:

The fight of Renji versus Zabimaru took a very interesting turn. The antics of these two spirits was fun to watch again but nevertheless, the way they treated Renji was definitely not funny and even from their perspective not justified at all. A wielder who achieves Bankai is not weak and Renji has been working hard all his life as a Shinigami to become stronger.

I was mainly curious how the fight between Muramasa and Shirosaki in Ichigo`s soul space will continue. I wasn`t surprised that Muramasa`s powers don`t work on a hollow spirit but we learned a bit more about them. His hand movement looked like casting a hypnotic spell to me but even if that is true, it also binds the spirit in question. I noticed that Shirosaki immediately stopped laughing when Muramasa rendered him helpless and he obviously got scared. This is an unusual reaction for a hollow and shows again that Shirosaki is not a typical hollow. He might not like the idea but Ichigo was right when he said that he is part of him.

I always thought that Renji and Ichigo are very much alike in many ways and this episode pointed that out very well. If they are pushed into a corner defeated and seemingly helpless they still keep coming back. Both of them keep pushing heir limits especially when it is about defending a friend, a loved one. Here it became a matter of honour for Renji and a matter of saving his hollow part for Ichigo. It seems determination is the key for achieving at least the Shikai even after the Zanpaktuo spirits have left. Both of them also have a goal: Ichigo wants to get Zangetsu back and Renji is also determined to defeat Muramasa.

But maybe this also worked because both of them achieved Bankai in the past. I hope to learn more next week. I can only guess at this point but maybe Bankai users leave an imprint of the powers in the Zanpaktuo that can be accessed when the bond with the sword is strong enough.

I liked what Ichigo said at the end of this episode. Ichigo still considers himself to be human although he has Shinigami and hollow powers. He seems to be very proud of that fact. And why not? I like it a lot that in spite of all the powers Ichigo has now he is first of all proud of his roots as a human.

It is good that the Zanpaktuo filler is becoming more three dimensional, that the line separating the bad from the good guys is becoming more and more blurred. I am curious about Zabimaru`s reaction in the next episode after Renji managed to achieve the Shikai without the spirits. I am also sure that Muramasa will go after Ichigo again. Now that he knows that he can`t bring Shirosaki over to his side and Ichigo is more dangerous than he expected, he might want to lock him up as he already did with Yamamoto.

In spite of the title of this episode, there was not a lot about Hisagi versus Kazeshini in it. What was interesting is that Hisagi admitted that he loathes his Zanpaktuo so much that he wouldn`t hesitate to kill Kazeshini in order to stop him from killing even if that means losing his Zanpaktuo. Kazeshini thought that Hisagi would be the right Shinigami to wield him, a Zanpaktuo whose only purpose is to end lives. Hisagi is a fierce fighter but even the flashback as a child didn`t show him as someone who enjoys killing. If Kazeshini is telling the truth, wielder and Zanpaktuo spirit make a pact with each other, probably at the time when the Shinigami discovers the Shikai level. I hope to learn more about this. It seems next week Hisagi and Kira will fight Kazeshini together. This could be interesting.

I just noticed – I have written more than one page again! :)

Before I stop I want to write something about the latest edition of the Quincy encyclopedia: I enjoyed it to see Isshin and Ryuuken again. The picture of little Uryuu is absolutely adorable :). When I watched this the first time, I was laughing. When I watched it the second time I got more worried that Ishida will indeed be in serious trouble with his father when he comes back.
 
This episode was another jewel.

Ichigo was right. Shirosaki WAS once a hollow, but no longer. He's sentient, he can think, he can speak. Interesting enough, the monster that was outside in the last episode though, was anything but. It seems Shirosaki wasn't in control at that time either. It was just a mindless beast. Is it because Zangetsu is missing from the trinity?

And I like that Renji managed his shikai. It was something I've been wondering about ever since the Zanpakuto claimed that the swords could no longer transform because their reiatsu is no longer in it; what about shinigami's own reiatsu? Can they channel it into their weapons and make it do stuff?

I guess the answer is a big, fat yes.
 
The slapstick in Bleach took some getting used to but when I started to become a Bleach fan the whole Anime and Manga genre was new to me. The over the top slapstick and exaggerations starting with episode one put me off when I gave the series a try the first time.

Nowadays I can laugh about Isshin`s antics and the craziness in the school involving Keigo and the rest of the gang. But although I liked the first episodes with Kon when he was still treated as a more serious character he quickly degenerated to my least favourite character. I can`t stand that idiot one bit. Although Nel and the slapstick gang from earlier Hueco Mundo had some good moments most of the time they just got on my nerves, too.

During the Bount arc the three mod souls in question kept swapping their humanoid and puppet bodies repeatedly. I don`t know, maybe they feel more comfortable as puppets. Maybe Tite Kubo has a weakness for them. I read that Kon is one of his favourite creations. Well, so far I can`t complain because they haven`t left Urahara`s shop (yet) during this new story.

I think a longer filler should definitely be a worthwhile story. But for the odd one or two filler episodes I don`t mind just to watch something light, funny and fluffy just for entertainment. The latest ones were great in my book. I had a lot of fun watching them. And even these fillers were offering something new. One interesting discovery was the result of some fan team work: Someone mentioned in the Bleachasylum that the book Ishida was reading looked like to be in English. I looked more closely and found out that it was German. Not only that, I translated the bits and pieces I could and someone found out that what Ishida was actually reading was a book about the poems in the Manga paperbacks. I wonder what other Easter Eggs of that kind are hidden in such stories.

There is a lot in the Bount filler I liked but I think it has its flaws. The New Captain story was already better and I think the Zanpaktuo story is amazing so far! It is better than some of what I have seen in “canon” Bleach. There is definitely improvement here.

With the smaller one-shots and two-parters, I noticed that even the Karakura Raizer story (which I absolutely hate!) has been chosen by some as favourite filler. And my six-year-old daughter loves the “Karin and soccer” stories very much. I don`t mind them much but to me they are a bit too silly.

I don`t know Naruto at all but I enjoyed reading this discussion. But I think I have enough on my plate so that I won`t start watching Naruto as well.:)
 
The Naruto series are in a similar genre and generally targeted at the same audience as Bleach, only it has ninjas instead of Soul Reapers and a totally different plotline. They're also similar in length (100+ episodes) so they both require lots of time investment. I usually stick to smaller series, and the average anime is generally about 13-26 episodes anyway, but I managed to get roped into a few lengthy ones like Bleach, Naruto, Naruto Shippuden, Rurouni Kanshin, Yu Yu Hukusho, and Inu Yasha and it's upcomming sequel. :)

Stuff about Naruto

I disagree, and I'm going to leave it at that, because I'm not going to budge and our views on both series are totally opposite of each other and not likely to change and there's no point discussing it.
 
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I didn't know Inu Yasha was getting a sequel series... interesting.

I'm off to DragonCon this weekend, so I'll be back in a week or so.

Hopefully this arc maintains the high quality you've all mentioned thus far.
I'm looking foward to watching it.
 
Yeah, Inu Yasha: Kanketsu-hen (Final Chapter) starts in the fall and will animate the remaining chapters of the manga up until it's conclusion.
 
Just caught up with the first 3 or so episodes of the new arc.

I'm liking it.

PS - The beach episode wasn't bad, though it was total cheesecake.
 
It was very tasty cheesecake :)


I think the new filler is getting better and better.


This is my review of the new one. (It seems my reviews are also getting longer and longer because I enjoy these episodes so much!)





I loved this episode! Not only is this my favourite one in this so far brilliant filler, it is one of my favourite Bleach episodes!

By separating the Zanpaktuo spirits from the wielder and manipulating them Muramasa has been shown to be a very interesting villain. It is still very early days but I can already say with some confidence that we will learn much more about him and at the end he will be one of the most comlex bad guys in Bleach. It is actually a shame that he as a filler villain won`t survive the story or will be locked away indefinitely from whatever Zanpaktuo he came from.

What Muramasa does is forcing Zanpaktuo spirit and wielder to have a really good look at each other, to confront strengths and weaknesses on both sides. That can result in a new understanding after Muramasa manipulated the spirit. I love this kind of character exploration! That means as it was the case with Ichigo and Renji, at the end the bond and understanding of both sides grew stronger. And we learned something new about Ichigo and Renji themselves.

It remains to be seen how the relationship between Hisagi and Kazeshini will develop but I doubt it that their relationship will improve in any way. Kazeshini was his usual creepy self in this episode. The way he licked his blade, it made my skin crawl a bit! I have the feeling that Kazeshini didn`t need to be manipulated at all, that he was simply set free to do what he loves the most – killing. I liked it how Kira came to his aid and stopped Kazeshini from killing his wielder. I also welcomed it to see Kira`s abilities as a healer again.

There are a lot of aspects I enjoyed when Ichigo was fighting Muramasa and also fighting to get Zangetsu back. The most interesting part was how Ichigo and his hollow self, Shirosaki, merged and fought together. I liked it how this episode showed that Shirosaki is not a tame pet hollow but a part of Ichigo that will always be there to also challenge him and at times threaten him. But Shirosaki is also much more than a killing machine driven by instinct. Shirosaki is definitely a sentient being in his own right, someone with a healthy sense of self preservation and someone who has strong emotions. Both sides agreed that they have to be a team now, that fighting together is in the interest of both sides. The result was impressive! It was breathtaking to watch how their combined power took the form of the huge skull that swallowed Zangetsu whole. This new Getsuga Tenshou is something I would like to see more often!

I also loved the difference here between the passionate Shirosaki and the calm, wise Zangetsu. I smiled when Zangetsu explained that he has given everything for the cause to make Ichigo stronger and that it was Ichigo this time who saved him. It had been such a long time since I could see Zangetsu the mentor again. Zangetsu could see how strong his student has become. It was obvious that he was definitely not expecting this! It was nice that Ichigo acknowledged Shirosaki`s part in this important victory. All three sides gained a better understanding and respect for each other. I wonder what a Getsuga Tenshou would look like in which all three aspects of Ichigo combine forces as equals? I don`t think we have ever seen that!

Not only did Ichigo have one of the most impressive fights in Bleach history, I think this episode also showed Renji at his best. This was not just the typical hack and slash I am used to when watching his fights. When he found out that his usual style didn`t work Renji became inventive and outsmarted his opponents. Maybe he actually learned something from fighting together with Ishida as a team not so long ago. (Can we have this again in this filler please? I would love that!) I could also see that Kidou is still something Renji is not good at but compared to early Bleach he made some progress. Especially this episode shows that Renji is constantly working at getting stronger and that he is learning. It was so nice to see Renji`s smile at the end and that Renji regained the respect of the Zabimaru spirits! He was touched and it made me smile, too.

This episode confirmed not only that Muramasa is using mind control and manipulation but also that Bankai doesn`t work when the Zanpaktuo spirit in question is not willing to offer his powers. I still wonder if also Shinigami who have gained the Shikai but not the Bankai can reclaim their Zanpaktuo if they are determined enough.

I like the twist when Ichigo told Muramasa that his bond with Zangetsu and Shirosaki is what makes him strong Muramasa started to break down. All Muramasa has left is a bond with a dark and empty sword because he killed his wielder. Muramasa will never have what Ichigo has. I think Muramasa is not only seeing how dangerous Ichigo is to his plans but he probably also hates him because he is jealous. After learning that Ichigo`s bonds are the source of his power he will be even more determined than before to break them. I think their fight will become much more personal in future.
 
Filler hell and the whole to be continued thing whenever something even remotely interesting happens. What I really dislike is when you get 90% of an episode being occupied by 3 or 4 dumbass stuffed animals and then when something starts to happen that is actually good then you get the to be continued.
 
By separating the Zanpaktuo spirits from the wielder and manipulating them Muramasa has been shown to be a very interesting villain. It is still very early days but I can already say with some confidence that we will learn much more about him and at the end he will be one of the most comlex bad guys in Bleach. It is actually a shame that he as a filler villain won`t survive the story or will be locked away indefinitely from whatever Zanpaktuo he came from.

I like the twist when Ichigo told Muramasa that his bond with Zangetsu and Shirosaki is what makes him strong Muramasa started to break down. All Muramasa has left is a bond with a dark and empty sword because he killed his wielder.

He claims he's killed his wielder, I'm not so sure if he's right. Especially if he's one of the main characters' zanpakuto. After all, Zaraki and his lieutenant are rather conspicuous by their absence, and Muramasa's color scheme could fit the girl's pink hair and his general look and power could easily fit Zaraki.

In this case his wielder will return, and take him back, and we may see him again, indeed maybe even in the manga, as the creator is helping the animators with his and said he had wished he had put this in the manga.
 
I'm finally caught bleach episodes up now. So..don't tell me what's happening from that episodes!! I'm hurrying it up to catch to episode 236!! Damnit!
 
Filler hell and the whole to be continued thing whenever something even remotely interesting happens. What I really dislike is when you get 90% of an episode being occupied by 3 or 4 dumbass stuffed animals and then when something starts to happen that is actually good then you get the to be continued.

Welcome to shounen (anime for teenage boys): the second most frustrating anime type, next to Jousei (anime for female adults), that is. Those are even worse especially if you're a guy trying to watch them (things like 07 Ghost, and Descendants of Darkness). I found those two especially tedious and boring.

Bleach is one of middle-ground shounen series, not overly annoying but not free of genre tendencies to stall and drag either. There's better examples of shounen and worse ones too.

Generally, my favorites are usually seinen series (aimed at male adults) like Monster, Black Lagoon, or Welcome to the NHK.
 
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I have a question.

I was wondering if Nell will be able to joining the Soul Society, despite of her being espanda. She seems so kindred person who wanting to protects Ichigo Kurosaku from being killed by Nnoitora Jiruga.

Is it possible for Nell to be part of Soul Society? Just wondering, that's all.
 
To answer that you'd have to get into the complex issue of how the afterlife works in Bleach and the series hasn't exactly been too forthcomming with those issues. I can only really speculate on how I sort of understand it.

It's all about what kind of life she lead while alive that determines whether she goes to Soul Society, gets cleansed of her crimes as a hollow, or gets dragged through those massive doors to hell. Hueco Mundo is something in between like a sort of purgatory. Acording to various explanations throughout the series, hollows are not actually "killed" per se but are cleansed of their crimes as a hollow when killed by a Soul Reaper. Their Souls then go back into the giant reincarnation "pot" to be reborn again, maintaining a balance. However, people who were just darn evil to begin with can't be cleansed of crimes they committed while human, and they go to strait to hell instead.

This is also the chief problem the Soul Society has with the Quincy and the Bount because those two actually killed souls for good and erased/eat their existences. Thus far I don't think it's been said what happens with higher classes of Hollow/Soul Reaper hybrids like Aracanar, and Visoreds.
 
Bleach 236 was great!

If I didn't know it was a filler arc, I'd think this was just another part or the larger story.

Very well done.

I'm glad you guys talked it up and got me back to watching it early.
 
Bleach 236 was great!

If I didn't know it was a filler arc, I'd think this was just another part or the larger story.

Very well done.

I'm glad you guys talked it up and got me back to watching it early.


I am glad you enjoy it :).

As it was mentioned before, this filler might have a special status because Tite Kubo would have put this story in Manga form if that would be possible. It could very well be part of the larger story.

I have just watched Bleach 237. Here is my review:


Bleach 237

I like the meetings of the three elders. I wish Unohana, Ukitake and Shunsui would also lead the Shinigami in future but I know this will change. Yamamoto will be back and take over as leader again. Sooner or later there will be a rescue mission or Yamamoto escapes but I am hoping it will be later, not sooner. I enjoy watching the current leadership too much.

This time there was a lot of fun in this episode. The two Zabimaru spirits are hilarious! Also this time we could see that Unohana`s command presence must indeed be formidable. I like it.

It didn`t surprise me that Muramasa wants Ichigo to be taken alive if possible. Maybe he thinks he could take Zangetsu`s place and take advantage of Shirosaki. Whatever Muramasa has in mind he is definitely curious about Ichigo and wants to learn more about him.

Sometimes I really wonder why Soi Fon puts up with Omaeda as second in command. In this episode he was definitely more annoying than funny. Because my daughter loved the scenes with him and Gegetsuburi, his Zanpakutou spirit, I also appreciated the funny side more. But in general, that guy was a pain again.

Ikkaku and Houzukimaru, his Zanpakutou spirit, were much more fun. Great, I never would have thought we will see Ikkaku`s lucky dance again! But that fight was also quite exciting to watch. I understand that new character developments are avoided in fillers and therefore I was amused that Ikkaku`s ability to do Bankai was not made public. Nevertheless, when I saw the spirit using it, I could see that with more practise Ikkaku`s Bankai could be much more powerful.

What I am really curious about is what Byakuya is up to. I didn`t expect him back in this story so soon but I am not complaining.
 
Bleach 238



This episode is dealing with three interesting mysteries. Like Ichigo and the three elders who took over the leadership of the Shinigami I am wondering what Byakuya is up to. I agree, he is a hard one to figure out.

What I didn`t expect is that Muramasa somehow managed to enter the hollow dimension and seems to be looking for something in the Menos forest. I have no reason to believe that Muramasa was lying when he said that he killed his wielder and therefoe I am hoping that he isn`t Ashido`s Zanpakutou. Muramasa is obviously not well. My guess is that he is dying. It was said that a Zanpakutou spirit dies with his or her Shinigami. But Muramasa is certainly an unusual Zanpakutou spirit and maybe he is able to extend his life for a while. Whatever he is looking for in the Menos forest could help, too.

The bickering between Tobiume and Haineko was silly but it made me laugh nevertheless. Especially Haineko very much reminded me of her wielder, Matsumoto. It seems every Zanpakutou spirit will eventually confront its wielder. That Matsumoto and Hinamori happened to be nearby when Ichigo could use some help was not surprising. I don`t mind at all and am very much looking forward to some of these future confrontations.

The exchange between Hinamori and Tobiume turned interesting eventually. Aizen is obviously a topic that wakes up strong emotions in Hinamori but it was good to see that her reaction was first of all anger, even rage. Nevertheless, she regained her control very quickly. I liked that part of this episode very much. I take it as a good sign that she is on the right way to recovery.

The third mystery involved Hitsugaya`s Zanpakutou spirit, Hyourinmaru. In some ways he reminded me of Sode no Shirayuki. Both are spirits of ice Zanpaktuos and both are very beautiful. As with Rukia`s Zanpakutou spirit, I could see that Hitsugaya certainly hasn`t learned the full potential of Hyourinmaru yet.

I felt very much for Hyourinmaru. He was obviously lost and lonely. I remember that Hyourinmaru hesitated before leaving Hitsugaya. There definitely was a strong bond between this spirit and his wielder and I am curious what happened. Maybe Hyourinmaru regretted it very quickly that he left Hitsugaya but when he opposted Muramasa he somehow blocket his memories. I don`t think he erased them. This is a filler after all and I am sure he will get them back.

I am very much looking forward to the next episode. It seems this will be the kind of story I like in Bleach, an exciting, interesting fight combined with a touching story that explores the characters. That this story also offers a flashback of Hitsugaya`s past is a bonus I welcome.
 
The exchange between Hinamori and Tobiume turned interesting eventually. Aizen is obviously a topic that wakes up strong emotions in Hinamori but it was good to see that her reaction was first of all anger, even rage. Nevertheless, she regained her control very quickly. I liked that part of this episode very much. I take it as a good sign that she is on the right way to recovery.
Yeah that was interesting.
Though, it still makes me wonder which part of Tobiume's statement set her off, insulting Aizen's "honor", or making fun of the fact that she was used and betrayed by him.
She kinda manages to do a little of both at once there. Either way she definitely pushed the right button if you wanted a fight.

I also find it highly amusing that Hinamori's and Matsumoto's zampakuto are always exchanging snewdy insults and generally don't get along. They pretty entertaining. :)
 
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I like it how Hinamori and Matsumoto worked together to capture their Zanpakutou spirits! Hinamori gained some more of my respect. She showed that being able to trust is important. Of course that means trusting the right people but Matsumoto is definitely one of them as both, Haineko and Tobiume found out. I also liked it how especially Hinamori turned the ridiculous view that women have expiration dates on them on its head. I loved Hinamori`s speech about age and wisdom! This obsession with looks was funny but on a certain level also annoying.

But my favourite part of this episode was the second half, the confrontation between Hitsugaya and his Zanpaktuou spirit Hyourinmaru. I could see that not only Hyourinmaru has a strong desire to find a place where he belongs but that his master feels the same. The flashbacks showed that very well. Both have a lot in common and I found it touching that they were drawn to each other from early on. When Hitsugaya became a soul reaper and was united with Hyourinmaru both of them found their home, their family, the place where they belong.

I found the flashback very interesting. I wasn`t aware of it that Hitsugaya was that much of an outsider when he lived with his grandmother. I also didn`t know that Matsumoto discovered him and his powers. I like Hitsugaya very much and am glad that his confrontation with his Zanpakutou spirit was written the way it was, not a brutal battle but more a quest to regain memories and a mutual understanding.

Looks can be very deceiving especially in Bleach. Nevertheless Hyourinmaru was willing and able to give Hitsugaya a fair chance to prove that he is indeed his master. The way he was smiling when Hyourinmaru was carrying his exhausted master in his arms was beautiful. I am still wondering what Muramasa has done to him that caused him to lose his memories but I think whatever happened, the bond between both of them is as strong as ever.

Next week should be interesting and it adds to it that we didn`t get a preview this time. The black shadow Muramasa seemed to be about to consume is certainly not the average hollow. I am curious what this is about but it seems next week we will see first of all the real start of the Ichigo/Byakuya/Renji story. Also because these characters have a long history together this should be really good.

I have learned that this filler was originally planned to be the next movie. I am much more pessimistic now and it is likely that Ichigo`s human friends won`t get any good part in it. Well, it was nice to see some of the friends together at school at the end. Every little helps until the filler is over.
 
Hyonmaru was awesome. We also get to see his true power. Freezing projectiles in place, freezing energy and shattering them. A little cold and we have a thunder storm at his command. That was friggin' awe inspiring.

It's too bad we see so little of Hyonmaru's power. If you compare his first shikai appearance with his later bankai appearances, it always seemed that his bankai was weaker than his shikai. Which is too bad. I want to see Hyonmaru unleash holy freezing hell upon the world and the enemy whenever he comes out. As Shikai, and even more so as Bankai.

Essentially the Captain Commander's zanpakuto's power, but with ice instead of fire.
 
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