Maybe they don't fight the villains but talk them out of doing bad things 
Blade Runner 2
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To be fair, I am in the pro Harrison Ford camp. And Cruise is a little younger than Ford last I checked. Not only that, he's from a different generation to Ford, so healthcare and lifestyle options were open earlier to him. Ford was still working as a carpenter in the mid to late seventies. Blade Runner was an action movie at its release, as much as it was any specific kind of movie. I personally suspect Gosling was cast in part for his slight resemblance to Ford. Largely it reminds me of the old Westwood video game to some degree. And I think they are trying to dodge cgi again this film.
Maybe they don't fight the villains but talk them out of doing bad things
I'd like to see more movies like that, honestly.
I have to confess, I tried the original years ago and I got board and turned it off before the end, so I honestly didn't realize she was that important to the end. I just rememberd the scene in the office, and her showing up at Deckard's apartment.
But even if she is that important to the first one, that doesn't mean she needs to be in this one. We still don't even know for sure how exactly this one related back to the first. Since she was that important, we should hopefully at least get some kind of an explanation for why she isn't around.
Me too.
Before Batman vs Superman came out I always hoped that if they ever had problems, they would arguing instead of fighting
You've completely missing my point here. I never compared 54 year old Cruise with 74 year old Ford!!! The point was that:
(A) Rick Deckard never did any crazy stunts in the original film that he can't do now*.
(B) If they do have a lot of action sequences in BR: 2049 you can bet that that's why they have Ryan Gosling's character for.
(* Shock! Blade Runner had Harrison Ford but was NOT an Indiana Jones or Star Wars film!)
You meant to say you got bored? Maybe because the original Blade Runner is NOT an action/adventure film in the same vein of the Indiana Jones or James Bond series!
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The original film has about as many physical stunts for Ford as raiders did, though at least this time he won't be under a ton of artificial rain. (Physical action scenes for Ford in the original: Fight with Zhora, including tie strangling. Chase with Zhora, includes leaping across the roofs of cars, fight with Leon, lifted up by neck, pinned to vehicle. Fight with Priss, including thighs clamped round neck, head chops, fingers up nose...sustained fight and chase scene with Roy Batty, including arm being pulled through wall, sustained free climbing, leaping across and just barely making jump to land on ribs. These were all physical stunts, and I believe Harrison did them all himself...I could be wrong on that score. He also did some might realistic broken finger acting...but that may have been some Westmore magic.) That Blade Runner has a ton of other stuff going on, doesn't stop it actually being an action film. Deckard gets his arse solidly handed to him in the second half of the film. (Shock! Someone knows stuff about Blade Runner. Percentagewise, probably more than I do about Trek, on a good day. More Shock! I have seen films with Ford in that aren't SF or Fantasy. So much freaking Shock you'll think your carpets are all acrylic! Have a better one.)
*shrug* I never claimed to be an expert on raiders. My mental count skipped the horse. I would still argue BR was the harder shoot on him physically, and I know his stunt double got a lot more work on Raiders than on BR (there's also more FX enhanced stunt work in the Indy films.) if I recall, the under the truck sequence was a double, whereas even the between buildings leap is Harrison in BR. (I'll be honest, I have half a recollection of their being a double used in BR, but I am not sure it was a stunt double, and most of not all the stunts had close ups on Fords face.) Raiders has....two fights? The horse and the submarine are probably the biggest set pieces, and there's some swinging and climbing the well of souls. I reckon if it's timed, it's gonna break even basically. Oh, and the fx enhanced boulder run.
Again you're missing the point and changing the topic of the discussion! We aren't talking about which stunt was done by the actor and which action sequence was performed by his stunt double here! The point of the whole discussion is if 74 year old Harrison Ford is believable as the Rick Deckard character anymore or not! Regardless of the use of stuntmen. Indiana Jones is a more physical demanding role than Rick Deckard, period. I say at age 74 he is more believable as a Blade Runner getting tossed around by replicants than as Indiana Jones jumping to and from horses, trucks and tanks!!! If you say the opposite fine by me! If you also think that Blade Runner (1982) is not a neo-noir science fiction film but an '80s action movie filled with crazy stunts and dangerous action sequences that's also fine by me! Just don't change the subject once again!
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My point is that he is believable as Rick Deckard at 74, but disagree with BR not being (as much as it is anything, Neo-noir scifi isn't exactly a genre, and certainly wasn't in 82) an action movie. I am pro Ford coming back (less so Ridley, ironically.) I just think...given it's in part how the film was marketed...that BR is, in many ways, an 80s action movie (go check out the Nemesis movies with Olivier Gruner for BR rip-offs that up the ante. I have only seen part of the first, but found the second extremely fun....Brion James! Madeline from La Femme Nikita!) along with its other various parts. Can Ford still do action...sure...a bit....but the insurance tab would be larger, and it would be less wise for him to take his usual physical approach. Life happens, people age *shrug* I know Sean Young has, but would love for Rachael to be in it too. Not least as that helps follow on from the happy ending I actually like.
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Basically, I just disagree he could do everything he did in the original.
Happy Christmas (and to everyone else reading) you and I are often in agreement round the board, so cheer up old chap.
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I've seen it, and I own it (the original, not the 3 sequels). Nemesis is a '90s action film and as much a Terminator rip-off as it is a Blade Runner one. (And a guilty pleasure of mine).
Of course Ford shouldn't do his own stunts. But I think that Rick Deckard is a slightly less physical and demanding role (than Indy) thus Ford can still play the character believably without him looking ridiculous. And if there are many more action sequences in 2049 they will probably use Ryan Gosling's character in them. (Not that Ryan Gosling will perform his own stunts. The producers, agents and insurance companies almost never allow it nowadays.)
Agree on both! Merry Christmas and best wishes!
Even if Harrison is still up for the level of physical acting that he did in Blade Runner, I'm not sure why it even matters. BR2 isn't set one week later, it's set thirty years later. If Harrison is a little older and slower, so is Deckard. Too old to be in the film? Oh no, his aged face might offend my sense of aesthetics! What a shit stance.
I know that now, but at the I was only about 14 or 15 and that was exactly what I was expecting.
This conversation has convinced me to give it another try. Should I do the Final Cut? I know that's Scott's preferred version.
Scott is a visual director. He's about that, not actors, not story (ok..a bit about the actors.) So for an experience that makes the most sense, watch either the theatrical or international cut. For the most finished visually, watch final cut. The directors cut and work print are basically interim oddities now. Final cut is horribly modern in its sound and colour grading, but fixes some of the flaws with the original/directors cut that were basically caused by time and money.
Then watch Dangerous Days and wish they had made the Love Scene more of a Love Scene, and be kinda glad they dropped the hospital Scene.
I grew up on that film from like age 5, though I didn't see it until much later. The soundtrack was played a lot by my father, and I play that same NAO version to my son at bedtime now xD
When you put it that way ...