Which is a film about an ex-Marine and Vietnam War veteran who turns into a violent sociopathic vigilante and would-be assassin, but without the benefit of being a comic book movie that's not intended to be taken in a more serious light.
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Which is a film about an ex-Marine and Vietnam War veteran who turns into a violent sociopathic vigilante and would-be assassin, but without the benefit of being a comic book movie that's not intended to be taken in a more serious light.
To be fair to Joe Q, the quote from the link doesn't have him saying anything about Trinity. I think that's the opinion of the person who wrote the article. What struck me about Q's quote was it seemed like he was totally ignoring Blade's proven record of film success.
Though I don't think Trinity is complete garbage, it definitely showed some signs of creative fatigue on Goyer's part. He was doing the script for Begins, had done the script for Trinity, was directing Trinity, and had an eye on launching a Nightstalker franchise. There was too much going on for him.
I wish he had just stuck to the script, they got another director, and left ideas of a Nightstalker franchise for another film. It wasn't cool to try to launch them on the back of Blade. And I think this de-emphasis on Blade continued in the TV show. Perhaps Goyer just got bored with the character.
Though I don't think Trinity is complete garbage, it definitely showed some signs of creative fatigue on Goyer's part. He was doing the script for Begins, had done the script for Trinity, was directing Trinity, and had an eye on launching a Nightstalker franchise. There was too much going on for him.
I wish he had just stuck to the script, they got another director, and left ideas of a Nightstalker franchise for another film. It wasn't cool to try to launch them on the back of Blade. And I think this de-emphasis on Blade continued in the TV show. Perhaps Goyer just got bored with the character.
Which is a film about an ex-Marine and Vietnam War veteran who turns into a violent sociopathic vigilante and would-be assassin, but without the benefit of being a comic book movie that's not intended to be taken in a more serious light.
Exactly, People need to understand how pathetic and dated the concept is. Also making Punisher basically Batman with gun is equally unworkable.
Which is a film about an ex-Marine and Vietnam War veteran who turns into a violent sociopathic vigilante and would-be assassin, but without the benefit of being a comic book movie that's not intended to be taken in a more serious light.
Exactly, People need to understand how pathetic and dated the concept is. Also making Punisher basically Batman with gun is equally unworkable.
Well, your comments sounded contradictory to each other; saying go see this movie that implies the exact thing I just said they should never do but in a more serious setting than a comic book film.
Was anyone really under the impression that it was Castle's military service that set him off, and not the brutal murder of his family? I didn't really see the confusion there. His military service is simply a means to an end that gives him the skills he needs to defeat his enemies, it's not the catalyst for him becoming a vigilante, although I do think one of the comics retcons had him undergoing his transformation into The Punisher during Vietnam.
Right now in the PunisherMAX series, writer Jason Aaron is delving more into Frank's psychology. As it stands, his darker nature was present before his family was killed; and I'm not sure if it was caused by his service in Vietnam, or that his time over there merely gave license to what was already inside him. Or maybe it turned something on that he couldn't turn off when he returned home. The book hasn't really said one way or the other, but I think it's an interesting take on Castle, exploring his state of mind before his family's murder.
Snipes is an ICON as Blade for sure; however, Idris Elba would make a killer Blade as well!
For Geeks no but for the public, let's be honest, they are not that sophisticated nor would they understand such subtle nuances.
Having a military veteran running around killing people was kind of OK in the 80's since Vietnam ended 20 years ago but now with two active wars and with thousands of veterans suffering from PTSD it's just too raw and exploitative.
Ooh, great suggestion.
Vietnam officially ended in 1975, though US military involvement ended two years earlier. It was still very much on people's minds in the 80s.
I think you sell "the public" a bit short. It's quite easy to make it clear that the death of Castle's family is the trigger for his vigilantism while still giving him the military background necessary to pull off his elaborate traps and attacks.
I think a Paul Greengrass directed Punisher would be pretty cool.
Just so long it's not too Bourne-like.
Just so long it's not too Bourne-like.
It was because a lot of my favorite characters from the 80's were Vietnam veterans. That being said the media did not certainly help veterans integrate into society. At best they were portrayed as loners with issues at worst full blown psychopaths. That being said the topic is not at sensitive as it is today. I think this country is doing a better job recognizing the needs of veterans and it's just too early for an exploitative Punisher movie (which is what Punisher always was, Marvel exploiting the urban vigilante cliche of the 80's)
No I am not. Look at 24. It's probably the most anti-torture show on television and yet people think it promotes torture. People couldn't figure out Lost without a cheat sheet. A majority of this country believes in angels, Big foot and creationism. Yes Americans are stupid and to argue otherwise is naive.
You don't seem to have any consistency from one post to the next. You said having veterans running around killing people in the 80s was okay because Vietnam had ended twenty years earlier, which is incorrect even at the end of the decade.
Then you acknowledge that the understanding of PTSD and the needs of veterans coming home from war is greater now, but think that people can't separate the idea of a guy seeking vigilante justice because of the death of his family from seeking it as a result of his experiences during the war.
I liked '24,' but insinuating that it had a consistent position on anything (apart from "terrorism is bad"), much less torture, is folly. Just because they paid lip service to (and occasionally focused on) torture being a legal or psychological struggle for Jack every once in a while didn't stop them from employing it in every single season and usually showing it to be an effective interrogation technique, when in reality it's anything but. Hell, they even made it a point to portray the anti-torture Senator as a douchebag who finally sees the error of his ways thanks to Jack before being killed for his sin of opposing torture.
I always love the implied "except me" when Americans call Americans as a people stupid instead of correctly stating that there are stupid people in every nation and no one has a monopoly on it.
Personally, I wouldn't use their knowledge of Lost or 24 as a guide to whether they're stupid or not. Maybe knowing when the Vietnam War ended would be a good marker.
Which is why Tom Jane's Punisher movie had the hit squad take out the entire family at a reunion, not just his wife & daughter, but parents, aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces & nephews.
"Get it! His whole family is killed!"
Because there is no consistency. Vietnam veterans were treated poorly and no one really cared about their plight. Most American's weren't even aware of PTSD. Thankfully times have changed and what is acceptable in the 80's is certainly not acceptable now.
First there is nothing wrong with making a collective assessment that reflects the majority. We ARE stupid various studies have shown that. Second I never implied other people were better and this is a non-sequitar. Punisher is an American comic book character therefore his influence on American pop culture is fair game. I never discussed the global implication.
Wow look a personal attack. I expected better from a moderator. You of course miss my wider point about the amount of time passed between events. Are you going to complain about my spelling or grammar next.
Between the (paraphrased) "Americans are too stupid to understand the shows that I like" and "anyone who disagrees with me is naive" comments, I'm not really sure if you're at the right altitude to occupy the moral high ground here, but good luck with that.
I didn't miss anything. Your wider point about the amount of time passed was simply wrong. Not only was the Vietnam War a recent event in the 80s, it was a far greater national trauma than the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will ever be, and came at a time when the treatment of veterans by the public was far worse than it is now, as was the understanding of the physical and psychological issues they brought home with them.
Oh man this Blade thread got completely hijacked by The Punisher.
One thing about Trinity though, Triple H, not bad...definitely better than Kevin Nash's appearance in Thomas Janes' Punisher as the French henchmen.
One thing about Trinity though, Triple H, not bad...definitely better than Kevin Nash's appearance in Thomas Janes' Punisher as the French henchmen.
Mmmm, I could see that. But he's already in Thor and Ghost Rider 2; would this be over-exposure to the comic-to-movie adaptation?
he was Russian. they even called him "The Russian".
He was The Russian. I thought his part was great for a guy with no dialogue except grunts and growls. Their fight was one of the best parts of the whole movie.
Chris Evans has done Fantastic 4, Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer, The Losers, Scott Pilgrim vs the World and Captain America: The First Avenger, with The Avengers comin' up.
Plus he played a superhero-esque character in Push.
