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Blackboard gibberish?

ngc7293

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I watched The Day The Earth Stood Still (2009 version)
When the Klaatu character stood in the room of the Nobel prize winner (John Cleese) and saw the math stuff on the black board and started to erase some of it. As this scene took place, I wondered if what was on the board was gibberish or was it real math that the actors had to learn what to scribble on the board (even if they didn't know what they were scribbling)
 
I watched The Day The Earth Stood Still (2009 version)
When the Klaatu character stood in the room of the Nobel prize winner (John Cleese) and saw the math stuff on the black board and started to erase some of it. As this scene took place, I wondered if what was on the board was gibberish or was it real math that the actors had to learn what to scribble on the board (even if they didn't know what they were scribbling)

I vaguely remember recognizing some things that could've made sense when I saw that movie. If you have a screen shot, I could have a second, longer, look. For what it's worth.

ETA: From the Wikipedia entry on the movie:

To film Barnhardt and Klaatu writing equations on a blackboard, general relativity sums were drawn by Marco Peloso from the University of Minnesota, and William Hiscock of Montana State University in faint pencil marks. Keanu Reeves and John Cleese drew over these in chalk.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Earth_Stood_Still_(2008_film)#Filming
 
Also:

Cleese spoke about portraying abilities outside his own experience in the scene in which Klaatu corrects a complex mathematical formula Barnhardt has written on a blackboard: "The trouble is, I had to be able to write the equation, because Barnhardt has been working on it for 60 years. I learned to carefully copy things down that mean nothing to me at all. In A Fish Called Wanda, I spoke a lot of Russian without having any idea what it means."[5] The crew enjoyed working with Cleese and were sad when he finished filming his part.[14]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Earth_Stood_Still_(2008_film)#Cast
 
I watched The Day The Earth Stood Still (2009 version)

You have my sympathies. :(
It can't be much terribly worse than the original, which was nothing but one more senseless, preachy B-movie that got reified into a classic only by virtue of being reasonably well acted, having an obnoxious religious allegory, and grasping for something very slightly more ambitious than its contemporaries.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people call it a great science fiction film. The film gives us a protagonist who is a cruel buffoon who blames others for his own bumbling provocation of violence, supports a police state run by killer robots, thinks nothing of said killer robot killing, evidently would stand by and watch the killer robots commit genocide, and destroys a planet's economy in order to demonstrate that he's really super-duper powerful, and then the film has the nerve to portray their inept alien ambassador as Space Jesus, who was just too beautiful for our callous and xenophobic world.

This, of course, not even getting into how very little in the film makes sense. "You're alive." "No, I'm actually dead."
 
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I watched The Day The Earth Stood Still (2009 version)

You have my sympathies. :(
It can't be much terribly worse than the original, which was nothing but one more senseless, preachy B-movie that got reified into a classic only by virtue of being reasonably well acted, having an obnoxious religious allegory, and grasping for something very slightly more ambitious than its contemporaries.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people call it a great science fiction film. The film gives us a protagonist who is a cruel buffoon who blames others for his own bumbling provocation of violence, supports a police state run by killer robots, thinks nothing of said killer robot killing, evidently would stand by and watch the killer robots commit genocide, and destroys a planet's economy in order to demonstrate that he's really super-duper powerful, and then the film has the nerve to portray their inept alien ambassador as Space Jesus, who was just too beautiful for our callous and xenophobic world.

In the original, Klaatu was here to try and induce the earth's population to behave itself. The movie made it clear that he was doing so because of concerns that, once space travel started, the earth's population might behave in aggressive/dangerous ways towards "his" planets.

Therefore, he was not simply some peaceful "space jesus," he was both the carrot (be peaceful and there is much we can learn together and much benefit to you) and the stick (and if you're not willing to do so, Gort and I can mess you up beyond belief). His final speech was basically telling earth that he was giving them a chance, having seen what he can do, to grow up or die.

Furthermore, the producers weren't saying "no violence at all." It was quite simply an anti-atomic war metaphor. The producers were using the threat of omnipotent beings destroying us as a metaphor for nukes doing that.

Therefore, pretty much everything he did in the film was consistent.

"You're alive." "No, I'm actually dead."

In the context of the science fiction movie that also made sense. He was shot. He died. The alien tech was able to restore him (not unlike how can now sometimes bring people back to life who "die" on the operating table) but given the damage done to his body it was temporary. He will shortly "die" again.

As for the remake, even if you accept the first version made no sense, the remake made much less sense.

As noted above, original Klaatu had a valid reason for threatening earth: concerns about space travel and the atomic age and the possibility we would try to violently colonize and/or attack other planets. That is: a danger not only to ourselves but to his world and others.

Remake Klaatu was worried about global warming but that wouldn't affect anything but us. So if we killed ourselves off it not only wouldn't affect his world but it might actually make things safer for other planets. If anything, he should have encouraged it to make sure we didn't have time to colonize space.

The plot of the movie is a valid metaphor for anti-atomic weaponry/anti-MAD. It isn't for environmentalism. So the original made much more sense than the remake.
 
You have my sympathies. :(
It can't be much terribly worse than the original, which was nothing but one more senseless, preachy B-movie that got reified into a classic only by virtue of being reasonably well acted, having an obnoxious religious allegory, and grasping for something very slightly more ambitious than its contemporaries.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills when people call it a great science fiction film. The film gives us a protagonist who is a cruel buffoon who blames others for his own bumbling provocation of violence, supports a police state run by killer robots, thinks nothing of said killer robot killing, evidently would stand by and watch the killer robots commit genocide, and destroys a planet's economy in order to demonstrate that he's really super-duper powerful, and then the film has the nerve to portray their inept alien ambassador as Space Jesus, who was just too beautiful for our callous and xenophobic world.

In the original, Klaatu was here to try and induce the earth's population to behave itself. The movie made it clear that he was doing so because of concerns that, once space travel started, the earth's population might behave in aggressive/dangerous ways towards "his" planets.

Therefore, he was not simply some peaceful "space jesus," he was both the carrot (be peaceful and there is much we can learn together and much benefit to you) and the stick (and if you're not willing to do so, Gort and I can mess you up beyond belief). His final speech was basically telling earth that he was giving them a chance, having seen what he can do, to grow up or die.

Well, fine, he's the Space Jesus of Revelation.

Furthermore, the producers weren't saying "no violence at all." It was quite simply an anti-atomic war metaphor. The producers were using the threat of omnipotent beings destroying us as a metaphor for nukes doing that.

Therefore, pretty much everything he did in the film was consistent.
Just because it contained a semi-coherent anti-nuke message doesn't mean that the story is immune to criticism on its own merits.

It has its moments, but it really gets off on the wrong foot when Klaatu lands in a populated area, without advance warning, emerges from his spacecraft, fails to say a word of greeting or warning despite his later demonstrated eloquence, and goes for what could easily be a weapon. No human being would ever have been so stupid, and someone who is purportedly intellectually superior never should have been, either; even if you somehow chalk that up to human propensity to violence, it's still some extraordinary nerve to place any moral blame on humans for their reaction. It's like blaming the animal when a kid jumps into a tiger pit.

Indeed, there was no reason for Klaatu to be on Earth at all. He barely learned anything, except that illegal entry into a nation gets you detained by that nation's authorities, military cemetaries are where we put military dead, and that neither mothers nor children in the 1950s had never heard of the term "stranger danger."

Then it gets worse as he severely damages global society as a demonstration, when he could have done something harmless instead--say, blasting the moon with extinction-level weaponry--or at least less harmful, like cutting power to military bases only.

So, yeah, war is bad, but Klaatu and the Interstellar League of Gorts are evil. An anti-nuke/anti-war metaphor fails a little bit when the actual lesson of the film is that aliens are sanctimonious drones dominated by unfeeling mechanical commissars, and the entire population of Earth (or, metaphorically, America) must develop weapons capable of hurting their interstellar robot overlords if they are to be free of arbitrary interference in its affairs, and possibly to safeguard its very existence.

So really, the metaphor is more like "those who have a perfect first strike capability are the masters of the universe, and the only way to be free is to have a credible deterrent."

There is also, for more modern audiences, a warning against placing the decision to kill in the hands of giant robots. I doubt this was intentional, given that in 1951, the principal method of launching a nuclear war was manned bombers and computers were in their infancy--that is, I don't think Earth Stood Still prefigures Wargames or The Terminator in any significant way. Although, hey, it's a valid reading.

"You're alive." "No, I'm actually dead."
In the context of the science fiction movie that also made sense. He was shot. He died. The alien tech was able to restore him (not unlike how can now sometimes bring people back to life who "die" on the operating table) but given the damage done to his body it was temporary. He will shortly "die" again.

As for the remake, even if you accept the first version made no sense, the remake made much less sense.
That's probably true. I dunno, it just seems that if you can preserve brain and body functions so well that a dead guy can just walk around, you should probably be able to restore him to life (not just the "Holy Spirit"--I know that line was forced in there, but yuck).

As noted above, original Klaatu had a valid reason for threatening earth: concerns about space travel and the atomic age and the possibility we would try to violently colonize and/or attack other planets. That is: a danger not only to ourselves but to his world and others.
Klaatu is nothing more than an imperialist tool, like an interstellar Matthew Perry, sailing his black ship up to Earth and dictating terms like he owned the place. He was able to, because his ship had weapons.

Who is the aggressor here? The space people. Yet the movie calls us warlike!

Remake Klaatu was worried about global warming but that wouldn't affect anything but us. So if we killed ourselves off it not only wouldn't affect his world but it might actually make things safer for other planets. If anything, he should have encouraged it to make sure we didn't have time to colonize space.
See, I haven't seen it, but at least that makes sense. If an alien species respects sentient life, there's no particular sense in treating humans as vastly more valuable than the rest of our biosphere. Given that climate change may bring about a mass extinction (though the human species is virtually invincible), it strikes me as conceivably reasonable for an alien government to intervene if it finds a putative right to exist of non-sapient sentients being violated by the dominant life form of a planet. Especially if the effort required to credibly threaten said dominant life form would be trivial, as it would be for any government capable of easy interstellar travel.

On the other hand, caring about the pain and suffering of wild animals is a very deep commitment. Once you start, it's difficult to know when to stop. As they unfeelingly kill each other and are virtually undeterrable from doing so, the only realistic way to preserve the putative right to life of all animals is to create a world-sized zoo. And that's probably not a project any but the most sensitive and rich society could contemplate.

On a third, unexpected hand, I can think of one strong motive for keeping a biosphere stable--you intend to colonize it.

The plot of the movie is a valid metaphor for anti-atomic weaponry/anti-MAD. It isn't for environmentalism. So the original made much more sense than the remake.
Except the original, as I stated above, makes a far more valid case for atomic weaponry and MAD, because robots are made of metal, and they're strong.
 
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Yeah, if the intent of the aliens in the remake was to keep the earth for colonization that makes sense. But that didn't seem to be their intent.
 
As in the original 1951 movie, Professor Barnhardt has an equation on the board that suggests (theorizes) that space travel through inter-dimensional universes is possible. Klaatu solves the mathematical equation thereby proving that, not only is it possible, but that's how he got there. This was brought out in the original movie.
 
Klaatu's entire agenda and goal is to save the Earth from us. But what is ironic is the fact that the mass of mites that are consuming anything and everything will consequently release toxic gases, chemicals, radiation, and other pollutants into the environment. As a result from consuming and destroying our chemical plants, refineries, nuclear power plants, weapons, oil and gas storage facilities etc; will result in harm and possibly even 'killing' the planet as a result which would be contradictive.
 
This is one of the films that I have never seen to the end because it puts me to sleep--literally. For me, it is in the same category as Die Another Day and, more recently, the Johnny Depp Fantastic Beasts movie. Never seen the end because I'm asleep until somebody wakes me up during the credits.
 
He was shot. He died. The alien tech was able to restore him (not unlike how can now sometimes bring people back to life who "die" on the operating table) but given the damage done to his body it was temporary. He will shortly "die" again.

Much like this thread.
 
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