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Black Swan Discussion Thread

Admiral_Young

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So "Black Swan" opened this past weekend in a limited release. It stars Natalie Portman and Mila Kunis and is directed by Darren Aronfosky. Did anyone actually get to see this? It is not listed in any theaters in Vancouver or it's suburbs and I guess this will be getting a wider release. The score done by Clint Mansell is fantastic! My favorite score of the year so far, I've listened to it almost ten times now.
 
I saw it on Friday (I think Toronto is the only Canadian city it's playing in right now). I thought it was quite good -- here's what I wrote about it in another thread:

It's a wonderfully dark and engrossing psychological drama, and quite unnerving at times. Natalie Portman is excellent in her role as ballerina Nina Sayers, whose quest for perfection in her craft begins taking a serious toll on her mental state (it's definitely one of those movies that leaves the viewer wondering what events are really happening and what's just in her head). Anyone who's ever struggled to be the best at something will likely empathize with Nina's situation.

Watching Nina's life spiral out of control makes for a fascinating character study. Portman is definitely the focus here, but the supporting players do solid work as well. Vincent Cassel is effective as the ballet troupe's director, a man who is sleazy, demanding, but in his own unique way, kind of brilliant. Barbara Hershey, as Nina's mother, takes what could have been a clichéd, one-dimensional character and makes it her own -- while her Erica is undeniably a controlling "stage mother", there are hints of a genuine love and concern for her daughter behind her often unsettling behaviour. Winona Ryder plays the company's former star ballerina; although her role is quite brief, she manages to be memorable and creepy.

Mila Kunis rounds out the main cast as Lily, the troupe's newest dancer. While her role isn't the most complex in the film (she's basically a carefree "wild child", the counterpoint to the uptight Nina), she's reasonably interesting to watch. And as for a certain scene between her and Portman (which I'm sure you've all heard about) -- yowza.

The ending is actually somewhat easy to predict, although I'm sure people will have their own interpretations as to what the film is trying to say (if anything). I found it interesting, in that
even though Nina (probably) dies, it doesn't necessarily make for a downbeat finale; in fact, Nina seems euphorically happy. Her obsession with the role of the Swan Queen may have killed her, but she achieved what she wanted: perfection. Her performance captivates everyone, even those who doubted her. Her life has been building up to this moment, and in a rather shocking way, she fulfills every artist's dream: to end on the highest note of their career. It's a great tragedy, but it's also her greatest triumph, which is an interesting dichotomy, I thought.

If you get the chance, I heartily encourage you to check out Darren Aronofsky's Black Swan -- it's a gem of a film.
 
That's a great review and meshes with others I've read about it. It is been my most anticipated movie of the winter season but am kind of disappointed that I won't even be able to see it.
 
One test I like to apply to movies/stories in other media I'm considering seeing is:

Does it have anything to say about the time in which it's set, either explicitly or subtextually, or could the same story, with minimal alterations, be told in pretty much any era?

When the answer is the latter, I'm generally not interested, and that certainly seems to be the case here. So a comically sheltered ballerina goes a bit nuts... and? :p
 
@Gaith...how would you know if it did or didn't know if it had the qualities or subtext you're looking for if you don't go and watch it in the first place? I don't understand how you would be able to make that determination. Have you read reviews or something?
 
So you don't see movies for the sake of escapism? You mentioned that is one of the "tests" you use...what are the others?
 
Thanks for asking! :)

Sure, I like some escapist movies, even those that don't at all comment on the times, but I like for them to be fairly light. The world's scary and gruesome enough without cartoonish depictions of the exertions faced by a middle-class, beautiful American girl. When I'm in the mood for gruesome, I'll watch a fact-based drama about the Rwandan genocide, to cite one example.

Another, even bigger test I use to judge art by is: does its tone honestly reflect the merit of its content? The new Clash of the Titans, for example, has several similarities with The Black Swan: it's about a sheltered young adult's quest for an epic achievement in the face of physical danger and in spite of an overbearing parent. But I loved Titans, because it was goofy, over-the-top, and didn't get bogged down in unnecessary character detail. It knew it was silly, from the bubblegum title on.

Black Swan
, on the other hand, presents itself as a metaphor for the search for artistic perfection as if the notion weren't childishly misguided in the first place. It wants you to know that it takes its protagonists' pain and effort Very Seriously™, but not so seriously that the script bothers to provide any sense of what drives Nina, or any psychological depth whatsoever, for that matter. (Source, see especially the Spoiler Special discussion.) And it thinks that it's being generally profound, then makes the French director a horndog and the San Francisco girl a libertine. If the movie were either played for catty, silly camp, or scripted and directed with subtlety, nuance and complex emotional relationships, I might be interested, but it seems to be neither.

Sounds like dumb and unpleasant escapism to moi... without Titans' ace in the whole, a "let's go find some gods and kick their asses" plot, and who doesn't love that? ;)
 
Planning on finally seeing "Black Swan" this afternoon. Very much looking forward to this. I've listened to Clint Mansell's excellent score for the movie over a dozen times now.
 
I finally saw it. I'll have to compose my thoughts and respond more thoroughly later, but it was one of the most incredibly intense movies I've seen in a while. Very character-driven, and very unsettling.
 
Black Swan reached my city on Friday, so I'm hoping to have a chance to see it within the next seven to ten days. A friend and I have discussed possibly doing a double feature after True Grit comes out.
 
Just got back from seeing the movie and thought it was absolutely fantastic. A brilliant dark, and beautiful film about obsession and perfection and what they can do to the human mind. One of the finest performances I've seen from Natalie Portman in a very long time. She deserves all the accolades that she will get for this role. Mila Kunis too is terrific and shines as well. Once again Darren Aronofsky delivers, his direction is exceptional in this film. Vincent Cassel who plays the head of the company is tremendous as well. I enjoyed just about every aspect of this film. It's close to trumping "Inception" as my favorite film of the year. The score is brilliant as I've already mentioned. I want to see this again already.
 
Black Swan reached my city on Friday, so I'm hoping to have a chance to see it within the next seven to ten days. A friend and I have discussed possibly doing a double feature after True Grit comes out.

Have to wait until January for both movies to be released here in Australia. Probably want to see True Grit more, as it's the latest Coen Brothers film.
 
I hate to be the sleazy board member who asks if Natalie or Mila show their boobies, but...do Natalie or Mila show their boobies?
 
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