Black Panther - Pre-release Thread
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What, he didn't watch the first Thor film?
So what music genre DO you like? I am sure we can easily make the excuse of finding you particular genre garbage and easily pull out 10 examples as soon as you mention it.
And how much did you hear, and what was the source? If you're hearing it on 107.5 or 92.3 in Chicago, then I can see why you say that. But there's a whole bunch out there that actually IS good, at least stylisitically, if not content.
Hip hop influences modern pop cultures all OVER the world..we just saw it at the Opening Ceremony at the Olypmics in Korea. Makes perfect sense for it to be in Black Panther.
We'll see how it sounds...they definitely have been smart in what they selected for the commercials. I think Legend Has It has done for audiences what Immigrant SOng did for Thor Rangnarok.
The movie itself -- we will see. Certainly Black Lightning's theme feels like a cheezy 90's rap (which might be on purpose). So we may or may not like the sound track.
Objective quality doesn't matter, I hate the genres. Also, yeah, every genre has bad songs. But, I hate objectively "good" rap and hip hop as much as I hate objectively "bad" examples of those genres. I wouldn't freak out over people hating, say, Classic Rock (which is one of the genres I like, probably the main one) like some people are freaking out over someone *gasp* not liking stuff like rap or hip hop . I could give you dozens of examples of shit songs in genres I like. There is no perfect genre, there is just a person's preferences. My preference is to take a baseball bat to the face if the choice is between that or having to listen to any rap or hip hop. Someone else might feel the same way about the music I like, which is fine.
Hell, I like enough objectively bad 80s cheese in addition to more quality stuff that I can guarantee I genuinely enjoy songs that the average person would probably loathe. I'm probably one of a handful of people on the planet that like songs like "We Built This City" and "Dancing in the Street", which are objectively terrible but I get a lot of enjoyment from. But even the stuff I like that gets high praise I'm not bothered by people disliking. I love Queen and think they were a legitimately amazing band, but I don't care if people don't like them or their style of music.
Oh, god. Another thing I can't stand, Shakespeare. At this point, I just have to laugh. Its like people are, unintentionally, doing everything possible to make me not watch the movie. Well, jokes on them. I survived Fant4stic and Spider-Man Homecoming, so I can survive anything mainstream superhero related at this point. Only Logan has managed to defeat me, but the specific reasons I couldn't bring myself to get through that don't apply to BP.
Wow, not liking certain genres of music makes me the most narrow minded person you've interacted with? Can I come live in this utopia you've found? Does it rain skittles there, and has Firefly just entered its 10th season? It sounds like a magical place, from what you seem to be implying.
Slightly hyperbolic, admittedly. Although it would depend on what the song is, and what kind of bat it is. I'd take a wiffle bat to the face over anything, but a solid wood bat I might just listen to the crappy music. I was mostly just trying to illustrate that, for me, that kind of music is painful to have to hear.
Lord, what fools these mortals be.
When they translate Shakespeare into modern, understandable English, I might give it a shot. Or make a movie based on one of his plays that translates the dialog into modern English. Until then, I might as well be trying to read a book written in Esperanto for how little I can understand staring at Shakespeare's writing, and that's not hyperboyle.
It's not just the music thing, it's literally 90% of what you've said since we first started interacting on these boards. It just amazes me how limited you are in what you're willing to watch/read/listen too.
It doesn't take much.
"Wait, based on an interview with the film's caterer there are possibly butterflies in this movie coming out in eleven months that I haven't even seen a trailer for yet? Well, screw that. I fucking hate butterflies. This movie sucks ass and the director should die in a fire."
Then, after you inevitably go see the movie anyway despite subjecting everyone to your irrational, ill-informed, and hyperbolic complaints for months on end:
"This was one of Marvel's best films."
Why not watch some of the films, like "Romeo and Juliet"? Or is the dialog that inaccessible?
Patrick Stewart also did an adaptation of "Macbeth."
Joss Whedon's conditions of doing "Avengers" was being able to do "Much Ado About Nothing"
For the record, it's been done any number of times. West Side Story is a modern version of Romeo and Juliet. 10 Things I Hate About You is Shakespeare's 'The Taming of the Shrew'. There was a basketball movie that was a modern version of Othello.
And of course various more direct adaptations which used varying degrees of modern language.
For being so "limited", I've sure seen a hell of a lot of things. Yeah, I currently am in a drought when it comes to sci Fi/fantasy media, but I end up watching/reading a lot. I only like certain types of things, but that's fine. Nothing wrong with that, just like there is nothing superior about watching/reading/etc things in many genres.
I really just want adaptations that have the characters talk like its 2018 not 1608. I'm also talking about direct adaptations, not taking story beats but making an all new story, which is what stuff like West Side Story did.
But, to be fair, I wouldn't be all that motivated to watch Shakespeare stuff even if I could understand it, its just that it being complete gibberish to me guarantees I won't watch it
I watched Joss Whedon's Much Ado About Nothing. it uses Shakespeare's dialog, so I honestly don't know what happened. But it had Wesley, Fred, Agent Coulson and Mal Reynolds in it, so I watched it all the way through. Patrick Stewart Shakespeare is just as much gibberish to me as any other adaptation. Its not the acting that's the problem, its the source material, which is basically done in a language I don't understand.
Plus, you know, I have limits. I'm not watching a romance, period, so I wouldn't watch any adaptation of Romeo & Juliet. I know Much Ado About Nothing is a romance (I think), but since I couldn't understand what the hell was going on I wasn't annoyed by romance elements and mostly just got a kick out of watching b-list genre actors I enjoy try to act in what is basically a foreign language. I'd watch stuff like Hamlet or Macbeth if the characters spoke modern English, not stuff like R&J.
Oh yeah, like how I bagged on Fant4stic and then started singing its praises after I saw it. Except, I didn't. Its still shit (although watchable in a "what the hell were they thinking" way). Or how I declared BvS a masterpiece after trashing it pre-release. Oh, wait, I never praised it, I still called it shit. Or when I said I thought Homecoming looked like crap and then...it became the only MCU movie I think is legitimately bad. Hm, its almost like you're making a generalization that doesn't actually exist. The only two I can think of iss me not liking Gal gadot's casting, but I totally admitted to being wrong about that. I also thought I wouldn't be a big fan of GotG Volume 2, and I really enjoyed it (much more then the original). That's really it, at least with big things. Heck, I predicted I'd enjoy Justice League to a certain extent before it came out when someone would expect me to be complaining about it, and I consider it a solid, B-/C+ movie that I'll rewatch periodically.
I'll judge a movie based on evidence. sometimes that means I bag on stuff that I "should" like, or praise things I should hate. I'm batting a pretty high percentage when it comes to predicting, and I almost never have to go back on my pre-release thoughts. I think that Black Panther will be, at best, a pretty good movie. A low mid tier MCU film is still better then a lot of stuff, it just means it has noticeable issues. I'm sure BP will hit that target, unless it ends up having issues I can't predict.
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"Should?"
Not trying to harp, and I appreciate your Shakespearean clarification on language. My wife isn't that in to it either. I just am amused by what people don't like and what they expect themselves to like.
"Should?"
Not trying to harp, and I appreciate your Shakespearean clarification on language. My wife isn't that in to it either. I just am amused by what people don't like and what they expect themselves to like.
Well, I should like most superhero movies, especially since I like the source material. But when its done it certain ways, I don't like them (like the Snyder DC movies). I was also really hyped for Black Panther, I should be really excited for it. But now I'm expecting a passable movie with a few deep flaws that could have been avoided. Like the first Thor. I'm sure it will still be a good movie, but I have no real excitement left and even if I had the chance to see it in theaters at this point I'm more then happy to wait and watch it for free when the public library gets it on DVD.
So, there is no excitement? Why is that a bad thing? Again, confusion at this. I can watch films I'm not excited for.
Why wouldn't I be excited for an MCU film? I've wanted to see a Black Panther film for awhile. I love the MCU. Instead I've lost most of my interest and mostly just dread having to watch the movie. Having a movie go from something I was hyped for to something I'm kind of dreading is bad. The only other time this happened in the MCU was Spider-Man Homecoming (I went from happy that Marvel got Spidey to dreading it after the first trailer). That lead to the only MCU movie I think is legitimately bad, so its definitely a bad sign for BP.
I don't know what to say. I've been excited to see every MCU film before it came out except Spider-Man Homecoming after its first trailer. Now BP is the second MCU movie I stopped being excited for, which for me is a bad thing. It could have be an amazing movie, and before certain things about its soundtrack were brought to light I expected it to be a great movie. Now at best its going to be a passable, probably enjoyable film that could have been great except for some really stupid decisions. That's all my opinion, obviously.
Well, obviously. I guess I'm just confused by this that "MCU film=excited" except this and this...it's not clear to me.
But, I also know that I'm weird in that it may be a franchise that I love (re: Star Wars) and just because new Star Wars film doesn't equal excitement for me. Every film I judge by its own merits not franchise.