Spoilers Black Panther grade and discussion thread

[Venardhi]

How is it a perfect balance to have the only path to leadership determined by being 1. from one of the royal families, and 2. able to beat up anyone from the other royal families? Our exposure to their society is limited, but it all seems very martial and traditional and backwards for a country that has seemingly experienced lasting peace and developed science to the level they have.

 

[Turtletrekker]

How is it a perfect balance to have the only path to leadership determined by being 1. from one of the royal families, and 2. able to beat up anyone from the other royal families? Our exposure to their society is limited, but it all seems very martial and traditional and backwards for a country that has seemingly experienced lasting peace and developed science to the level they have.

This is why Wakandan culture has as much to benefit from exposure to the cultures of the rest of the world's as the other cultures of the world have to benefit from Wakandan technology.

 

[LJones41]

How is it a perfect balance to have the only path to leadership determined by being 1. from one of the royal families, and 2. able to beat up anyone from the other royal families? Our exposure to their society is limited, but it all seems very martial and traditional and backwards for a country that has seemingly experienced lasting peace and developed science to the level they have.

The manner in which T'Challa's leadership is established in this film reminds me of the 1950 movie, "King Solomon's Mines". In that film, one of the bearers in Stewart Granger's party named Umpoba turns out to be an exiled Watusi (I think he was Watusi) prince returning to claim his throne from his usurper uncle. Instead of Granger's Alan Quartermain saving the day, the Watusi prince and his uncle resort to a duel via hand-to-hand combat in order to decide who would occupy the throne and avoid an out-and-out civil war.

 

[CaptainWacky]

Saw it today, was really good. If you're countining it as a Marvel origin movie it's got to be the best one and is up near the top of Marvel movies overall.

It's really good looking for one thing, the waterfall scenes and the dream scenes were especially beautiful. The costume design and the whole look of Wakanda really worked. It felt like a whole new world within the Marvel universe, the same way the first Guardians of the Galaxy did.

Chadwick Boseman continued to be a totally cool guy after coming across that way in Civil War, but he's not some flawless hero and he has real stuff to wrestle with. Michael B. Jordan was pretty great like everyone said and probably has the best backstory of any Marvel villain. Really sad death scene too.

So many great female characters! Shuri possibly stole the movie but also have to highly praise Danai Gurira. Imagine if they let her be this cool in The Walking Dead (it would actually be entertaining!)

I liked that Martin Freeman wasn't just there to be a comic relief bumbling white guy and actually did important stuff. Andy Serkis was great fun just hamming it up as the gleefully evil Klaue. Sad that he died!

I'v seen people complaing about the CGI a bit but I mostly didn't have a problem with it. I guess the only place I found it distracting was when Panther and Killmonger were falling down the pit near the end, that did look a bit too fake. And it's true that their earlier fight in the waterfall was better than the fight around the train. But there was still a lot to enjoy about the final big battle (like armoured rhinos!) Realy the best action bit was the chase scene in South Korea. That was great.

The final scene with T'Challa and Shuri on the basketball court kind of reminded me of the final scene of The Last Jedi (the inspiring the next generation aspect) except I think this worked better, if anything.

 

[Set Harth]

All the kickass women in this help to distract from the fact that Wakanda is ultimately a patriarchal society, at least where its leadership is concerned.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I liked that Martin Freeman wasn't just there to be a comic relief bumbling white guy and actually did important stuff.

Which is especially refreshing considering Ross is pretty much that kind of character during the Priest run for the most part. He has his moments to shine, but the balance is flipped here in the film.

I'v seen people complaing about the CGI a bit but I mostly didn't have a problem with it. I guess the only place I found it distracting was when Panther and Killmonger were falling down the pit near the end, that did look a bit too fake.

The only part that stood out to me as obvious CGI was the close-ups on T'Challa and Erik on the railway track after the fight. The background suddenly became an obvious green screen.

All the kickass women in this help to distract from the fact that Wakanda is ultimately a patriarchal society, at least where its leadership is concerned.

Aside from the Dora Milaje, of course, and Shuri came off as the country's chief scientist. Otherwise, I agree that it looks like that, but in the comics, Shuri does rule Wakanda for a time while T'Challa was off playing Daredevil in Hell's Kitchen. Perhaps we'll get to see her in a leadership role in the sequel.

 

[JD]

According to producer Nate Moore Shuri is the head of the Wakanda Design Group, and is the smartest person in the entire MCU.
CBR's Justin Carter thinks the next Marvel show after Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. should be a series focused on Wakandan Outreach Center with Nakia and Shuri.
I would definitely watch that.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Black Panther opened with $192 million, the largest February and winter opening, crushing Deadpool's previous mark by a solid $60 million. The film also had the fifth largest opening ever and the second largest Marvel film opening, behind only The Avengers by a mere $15 million. That's an amazing accomplishment!

According to producer Nate Moore Shuri is the head of the Wakanda Design Group, and is the smartest person in the entire MCU.

I've seen that mentioned before and that makes a lot of sense considering the level of technological advancement Wakanda is at, as well as Shuri's privileged upbringing (i.e. presumably access to the greatest resources and education). I would love to see her go toe-to-toe with Tony Stark and simply blow his mind away.

CBR's Justin Carter thinks the next Marvel show after Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. should be a series focused on Wakandan Outreach Center with Nakia and Shuri.
I would definitely watch that.

I would love to watch that as well. Hopefully Marvel is paying attention.

 

[Samurai8472]

Two Kids Dressed in a Trench Coat Try to Get Into Black Panther Screening, They wanted to take advantage of the two for one ticket special

https://twitter.com/stevelikescups/...reenrant.com/black-panther-trench-coat-prank/

 

[Grendelsbayne]

All the kickass women in this help to distract from the fact that Wakanda is ultimately a patriarchal society, at least where its leadership is concerned.

2 of 5 tribal elders were women. Of the characters confirmed to have the right of challenge, 3 of 7 were women. It's still leaning patriarchal, which isn't exactly surprising for a culture with a 'warrior king', but it's clearly already moved into the realm of accepting female leaders (and the only one of these characters whose position was questioned at all was undermined by her age, not her gender).

 

[bigglesworth]

Two Kids Dressed in a Trench Coat Try to Get Into Black Panther Screening, They wanted to take advantage of the two for one ticket special

https://twitter.com/stevelikescups/status/964713501120806917/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw&ref_url=https://screenrant.com/black-panther-trench-coat-prank/

Clever kids even if it's painfully obvious it's two people. I hope the theater let them in though. Seeing the bottom individual stumble around while the top one wobbles back and forth would have been worth the lost $10 to the theater.

 

[bigglesworth]

Black Panther opened with $192 million, the largest February and winter opening, crushing Deadpool's previous mark by a solid $60 million. The film also had the fifth largest opening ever and the second largest Marvel film opening, behind only The Avengers by a mere $15 million. That's an amazing accomplishment!

Agreed, considering BP is nowhere near as well known to general audiences as Spiderman, Iron Man, etc...

I've seen that mentioned before and that makes a lot of sense considering the level of technological advancement Wakanda is at, as well as Shuri's privileged upbringing (i.e. presumably access to the greatest resources and education). I would love to see her go toe-to-toe with Tony Stark and simply blow his mind away.

Yeah, Wakanda probably is 100+ years more advanced than any nation in the world (though maybe just 50 years more advanced than the tech Stark has made). Anyway there's little doubt that Shuri has forgotten more than the world's top geniuses will ever know. My guess is that Shuri, or one of the Wakandan doctors, will heal Rhodes' paralysis just in time for Infinity War.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

A great behind-the-scenes featurette on Ludwig Göransson's collaboration with Sengalese musician Baaba Maal to produce the beautiful score for Black Panther:

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Clever kids even if it's painfully obvious it's two people. I hope the theater let them in though. Seeing the bottom individual stumble around while the top one wobbles back and forth would have been worth the lost $10 to the theater.

Sadly not. The video the two guys recorded shows the theater worker refusing them service as they were.

Agreed, considering BP is nowhere near as well known to general audiences as Spiderman, Iron Man, etc...

Which makes the feat all the more remarkable. Granted the film is a huge cultural moment for black communities around the world, but the word-of-mouth has also been excellent and has undoubtedly helped drive up viewership.

Yeah, Wakanda probably is 100+ years more advanced than any nation in the world (though maybe just 50 years more advanced than the tech Stark has made). Anyway there's little doubt that Shuri has forgotten more than the world's top geniuses will ever know. My guess is that Shuri, or one of the Wakandan doctors, will heal Rhodes' paralysis just in time for Infinity War.

Perhaps, but I expect Stark tech well provide the majority of Rhodey's mobility, at least in Infinity War.

 

[Dream]

I really enjoyed this movie.

Chadwick Boseman as T'Challa aka Black Panther was the standout. I was getting really sick and tired of all the quipy joke machine MCU leads, so it was great to finally get a serious main character for once with T'Challa. Michael B Jordan turned out to be one of the better MCU villains and I understood why he was doing what he was doing even if I thought it was wrong. I just hate that they killed him off.

Lupita Nyong'o and Danai Gurira did well, and were both badass as Nakia and Okoye.

Wakanda was brilliantly realized. It is really cool to see a nation like that, takes the whole parallel universe thing to the next level with an African nation being so advanced. Marvel clearly spend a ton of money making the movie look as good as possible, and they deserve credit for that. Far better handled than Asgard which never felt like it could have been real to me.

The action was good. I just wish that BP had been put in more dangerous situations though, the only time I felt he was in any real danger was the final battle with Killmonger.

The best part of this movie? Seeing all the black kids walking out of the theater excited and happy, finally having a superhero lead that looks like them. In the end that's all that matters.

This movie is also a massive hit! $200 million opening weekend! So that's pretty crazy! Hopefully, this mean more diverse superhero leads in the future.

A

 

[Trekker4747]

Thought it was great and I'd say the best of the villains as far as his motivations for what he's doing and why. Loki is fun just from a screen presence and charisma, bu this villain had the strongest "story."

Thoight it was fantastic.

And while I know why he wasn't around in this movie because of real world reasons.

Why in-universe was Cap not around?

And the question I have, if Wakanda had been keeping its self secret and and hiding all of this time, how have they developed such a large, vibrant, culture and infrastructure? What are their exports for which they're getting large enough sums of money to warrant such a vibrant city but yet maintaining the ruse of being a poor country?

 

[Venardhi]

What do they need money for? They've presumably been centuries ahead of the rest of the world technologically for their entire existence and it was only recently that Stark + alien technology gave the rest of the world a jumpstart to get even close to their capabilities. Effectively infinite energy is a pretty useful thing for making money pretty much unnecessary, but one presumes they're digging up diamonds and gold and other valuable minerals in the process of extracting all that vibranium.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Why in-universe was Cap not around?
?

Fighting ISIS. No, really...


https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/captain-america-isis-comic-infinity-war/amp/

 

[Set Harth]

My guess is that Shuri, or one of the Wakandan doctors, will heal Rhodes' paralysis just in time for Infinity War.

Perhaps, but I expect Stark tech well provide the majority of Rhodey's mobility, at least in Infinity War.

There's always Extremis! Right, Marvel? Does anyone remember Extremis?

Anyone?

Bueller?

 

[Awesome Possum]

2 of 5 tribal elders were women. Of the characters confirmed to have the right of challenge, 3 of 7 were women. It's still leaning patriarchal, which isn't exactly surprising for a culture with a 'warrior king', but it's clearly already moved into the realm of accepting female leaders (and the only one of these characters whose position was questioned at all was undermined by her age, not her gender).

I think there were some women in T'Challa's second vision/afterlife thing. I got the impression that they were past queens and ancestors of his.

I loved the movie, it was just a joy of a film. I liked that it actually had some social commentary and it worked well with the story and the villain's motivation. He like all the best villains see himself as the hero of his own story. I feel like DC and Marvel to a lesser degree have tried this, but this was the first time it really worked and makes the movie far richer for it.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Probably the best first solo movie (not my favourite overall, though). Loved the setting, as mentioned before, the scenery was nicer to look at than standard cities and toppling buildings. T'Challa is a fantastic character, noble and smart, he'll do fine to take over as the moral center of the MCU if Captain America dies/retires. Much like Strange's ego will fill Iron Man's void.

Not getting the Michael B Jordan love, though. He eas serviceable, and had a good back story, but was probably the most 1 note, irredeemable and 1 dimensional villain yet. Strange to see others sympathetic to such a psychotic killer, regardless of his past.