Did he raise his hands and say, "I surrender! Dont shoot!" and order his guards to lay down their weapons and anyone in front of him to move aside?
bin Laden not armed - was it right to shoot him anyways?
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Show me how he could have ever got a fair trial... Since you bring up "judicial system".
He wanted to be a warrior, pick a fight, he got killed. It happens.
Frankly I'm surprised it took this long for the "unarmed" news to come out, given that the footage we saw taken after the fact from inside the compound showed blood pooling under a large bed...
Just a sec, I'll show you. Oh wait, I can't. Why? Because I'm no fucking psychic. You win.
No, you can't because he could pretty much never have got one.
Psychic powers are uneccessary when the rules are written down.
What rule says no fair trials for terrorists?
Where did I say no fair trials for terrorists?
In order to have a fair trial you need jurors and suchlike with no prior bias in the case. Likewise a judge to whom the defendant is a blank slate.
So, anybody around who doesn't know that OBL is a self-confessed mass murderer (or, if you're an Islamic fundamentalist, a hero to be emulated)?
Somehow I doubt it.
And that's even before we get onto how many more lives would be endangered and lost as his fans tried to get him freed...
Bedtime here (past midnight), so I'll leave those of you in a time zone in which it's still early evening to carry on the discussion.
International court anyone?
In the words of some of my fellow southerners:
"Some people just need killin'!"
To no one on earth does that saying apply more than to Bin Laden. I have no trouble at all with the fact that he wasn't armed. In fact, I thought it was damn KIND of us to bury him at sea so that he would be buried quickly in conformity with Muslim custom.
It was certainly more consideration than HE ever gave to any of his victims, who were never afforded the opportunity for a proper burial in keeping with THEIR respective faiths. No Catholic in the WTC got last rights before they died; no Jew was buried within 24 hours in a Jewish cemetery, no Muslim was buried quickly in a Muslim ceremony either. In fact, some of them were left rotting for MONTHS under tons of debris caused by that man.
Yep...it was pretty damn KIND of us to bury his body at sea. As for the rest of it, he got exactly what he deserved. PLUS 10 years of life he never should have had the good fortune to possess.
"Some people just need killin'!"
To no one on earth does that saying apply more than to Bin Laden. I have no trouble at all with the fact that he wasn't armed. In fact, I thought it was damn KIND of us to bury him at sea so that he would be buried quickly in conformity with Muslim custom.
It was certainly more consideration than HE ever gave to any of his victims, who were never afforded the opportunity for a proper burial in keeping with THEIR respective faiths. No Catholic in the WTC got last rights before they died; no Jew was buried within 24 hours in a Jewish cemetery, no Muslim was buried quickly in a Muslim ceremony either. In fact, some of them were left rotting for MONTHS under tons of debris caused by that man.
Yep...it was pretty damn KIND of us to bury his body at sea. As for the rest of it, he got exactly what he deserved. PLUS 10 years of life he never should have had the good fortune to possess.
author_trek
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No.
I know I'm going to be pelted with rotten tomatoes for believing this; but the U.S. "Special Op's" move was a poorly chosen method of apprehending Bin Laden.
A move that sets no lesson for future generations we preach to about "true justice" being about setting a higher standard for ourselves.
They should've netted him like a fish, used flash-bangs, nailed him with beanbag launchers, pepper sprayed his butt, and applied non-lethal tasers.
Then brought him back to the nearest Allied Base, gave him a lawyer, and brought him up on charges at The Hague to face trial for Crimes Against Humanity when he woke up with the nastiest headache, broken leg or two, and few broken ribs, et cetera but alive to face the consequences of his actions.
That way, neither he nor his descendants or his followers can scream "human rights abuses" as in the Camp X-Ray situation, we should've followed regulations to the letter, left him alive to say his peace, and effectively blow out his candle about how we "are at war with Islam" and possibly saved the woman used as a human shield her moments of deadly fear.
Unless the U.S.A. has something to hide, that will come back to bite us all in the ass somewhere down the road?
Possibly gave the tard a spot on Jerry Springer and let the audience pick him apart right before the "final thought" segment?
We could've exposed him as the coward Bin Laden was. and let the world laugh at him and jeer at him. Let him see that his influence has officially died and let him spend the rest of his life raging away in his dog-cage sized jail cell somewhere "classified" in Syria.
I know I'm going to be pelted with rotten tomatoes for believing this; but the U.S. "Special Op's" move was a poorly chosen method of apprehending Bin Laden.
A move that sets no lesson for future generations we preach to about "true justice" being about setting a higher standard for ourselves.
They should've netted him like a fish, used flash-bangs, nailed him with beanbag launchers, pepper sprayed his butt, and applied non-lethal tasers.
Then brought him back to the nearest Allied Base, gave him a lawyer, and brought him up on charges at The Hague to face trial for Crimes Against Humanity when he woke up with the nastiest headache, broken leg or two, and few broken ribs, et cetera but alive to face the consequences of his actions.
That way, neither he nor his descendants or his followers can scream "human rights abuses" as in the Camp X-Ray situation, we should've followed regulations to the letter, left him alive to say his peace, and effectively blow out his candle about how we "are at war with Islam" and possibly saved the woman used as a human shield her moments of deadly fear.
Unless the U.S.A. has something to hide, that will come back to bite us all in the ass somewhere down the road?
Possibly gave the tard a spot on Jerry Springer and let the audience pick him apart right before the "final thought" segment?
We could've exposed him as the coward Bin Laden was. and let the world laugh at him and jeer at him. Let him see that his influence has officially died and let him spend the rest of his life raging away in his dog-cage sized jail cell somewhere "classified" in Syria.
No, in order to have a fair trial, you need jurors who are willing and able to put aside their biases and evaluate the evidence. Happens every day in the US. You also need a judge who is willing and able to follow the law, also something that happens every day. See, for example, Omar Abdel-Rahman and Timothy McVeigh.
It's interesting that the conversation has turned from He didn't deserve a religious funeral -- he should have been covered in pig blood and displayed in Times Square!!! to Was it right/legal to shoot him if he wasn't armed?
In the middle of a firefight, if you wait to determine whether the particular person in front of you is armed, you are dead.
eta: I see your point, author trek, but the truth is, we would spend the next 8-10 years litigating whether he should be tried in a civilian or military court.
If I had a clear shot at Adolf Hitler, I wouldn't be waiting for him to pick up a gun.
The Geneva Convention, actually...
Forget about the Hague. They are too nice at the Hague. Much too civilized for that sack of shit.
I'm thinkin' bring him home to the good 'ole US of A and house the bastard at Florence Federal Supermax:
http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADX_Florence
Only through 'clerical error', while he is 'awaiting trial', house him with the boyz from the Aryan Brotherhood or something. Let the boyz inside take care of business. After they got done with him, not only would he wish he was dead, he'd wish he'd never been born.
Fundamentally, I am opposed to the death penalty on the basis of possible innocence as well as the possibility of redemption for every soul. But this is a self-admitted mass murderer of 3,000 people+ who is not only unrepentant after 10 years to think it over and reconsider his actions, but who is damn proud of what he has done. He does not claim innocence - he boasts about his exploits, and sees himself as a hero.
This is pure evil on such a massive scale that even *I* can find no rational reason for keeping him alive...other than that 'death is too good for him'. Which is not exactly the best reason, given what that implies.
The death penalty...or execution on the spot (which is what happened) is about as 'kind' as I can bring myself to be toward this animal.
[yt]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voxu0eGjKFo[/yt]
Wrong again, MSNBC... he had at least two arms on him. Hence, the well deserved headshot.
Link? Please?
^ I think he meant 'arms' as in 'limbs'. 
Yeah, hm... was Kirk right to kill Nero in Star Trek?
To be fair, Bin Laden probably wasn't about to be sucked into a black hole at that particular moment.
Seriously, I think capturing Bin Laden and taking him back to the US would have posed too great a threat to security. In Bin Laden's case, with him being an openly admitted mass murderer with a fanatical following, due process would have been nothing more than ticking the boxes, quite possibly at the expense of lives.
To say nothing of a waste of time, and most likely, taxpayer dollars.
In the end, it doesn't matter at all how he died, as long as he's dead.
Bin Laden was alone? Otherwise, it would be damn sporting of the others in the compound to simply step out of the way while the SEALS tasered him.
You wanted him alive as a martyr and rallying cry for further recruitment to jihad in an American jail? The man was a self declared enemy of the state and a continuing danger to all of us. He wasn't some kid out on a joyride who got scared and fled from the local police. Killing him saved lives. He wouldn't have been a lesson of how we rose above. The fact that Obama refused to order the bombing of the compound and possibly costing civilian lives already shows that. The fact that he was given a proper burial shows that. No. I'm a tree hugging, gay marriage touting save the whales and puppies liberal and YES, they needed to kill him. It was necessary. Sorry, dude, but consider the first tomato thrown. You are being extraordinarily naive. Bin Laden in a jail alive posed far more of a threat. Now he's been made nothing. And it was right.
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