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By that rationale, you could also lump in how most of the humans and aliens treat droids too.
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By that rationale, you could also lump in how most of the humans and aliens treat droids too.
That has been argued as well. I think it's true.
It does make sense if the dark side exerts a certain degree of mind control.
It doesn't make sense in context of how it was played out in ROTS, which pointed the blame squarely at Anakin's personal flaws - stupidity, gullibility, lack of self-control - and gave no indication that the dark side exerts any sort of direct control over people like that.
However, The Clone Wars has established that the dark side can do that, even to the point of exerting total control. So I'll give Obi-Wan a pass on that one. In TCW, Obi-Wan observes Ahsoka being totally controlled by the dark side, and Anakin at least partly controlled (the degree of control was ambiguous but didn't seem to be total.) From that, he can conclude that the shit Anakin got up to later was either entirely not his fault, or at least partly not his fault.
And that might explain why he lied to Luke. One reaction Luke might have to learning the truth would be to run off and kill his father. If Obi-Wan is still partly thinking of Anakin as an innocent victim of the dark side, he certainly wouldn't want that to happen! Also it would be hell on Luke's karma.
The romance scenes are all so horrible that I can't choose between them, so I'll just ignore them entirely and go for one of these:
1. The Jedi agree to take over cloning sentient beings as cannon fodder and nobody seems to think there's anything wrong with this.
2. The word "taxation" in the opening scroll of TPM.
1. The Jedi agree to take over cloning sentient beings as cannon fodder and nobody seems to think there's anything wrong with this.
2. The word "taxation" in the opening scroll of TPM.
One of the things Lucas supposedly said back in the 70's was in reference to how the first few movies dealt with the political side of what was happening, and the reason he started with "Episode 4" was that it dropped the viewers right into the meaty, actiony parts, and that they would have likely been bored by the political stuff. If true, I think he was pretty spot-on in that assessment.
The way he writes politics is boring. 
Check out DS9, B5 or the new BSG for examples of ways to write space-opera politics well. Shit, even Farscape did an okay job.
Lucas just needed to bring in some writers who could do a good job on political storylines. The Clone Wars is handling things fairly well (although the corruption episodes were an awful bore) because there are good writers on staff who can handle that type of material.
Basically, Lucas needed to hire people to do the writing and directing. He should have just given them some overall direction and gotten out of the way.
Check out DS9, B5 or the new BSG for examples of ways to write space-opera politics well. Shit, even Farscape did an okay job.
Lucas just needed to bring in some writers who could do a good job on political storylines. The Clone Wars is handling things fairly well (although the corruption episodes were an awful bore) because there are good writers on staff who can handle that type of material.
Basically, Lucas needed to hire people to do the writing and directing. He should have just given them some overall direction and gotten out of the way.
How does Grand Moff Tarkin know about Obi-Wan Kenobi?
Because Obi-Wan Kenobi was a high ranking jedi with many feats to his name.
Ex-squeeze me!
Leia calling Chewie a "walking carpet". Horribly insensitive at the very best for an often-enslaved race.
Oh, lord, really? I'd successfully forgotten...
Yeeeep. Then he says 'Yippie ki yay mother****er' and shoots Palps in the kneecap.
That sounds more like Mace Windu's line than Yoda'sLeia calling Chewie a "walking carpet". Horribly insensitive at the very best for an often-enslaved race.
Oh, lord, really? I'd successfully forgotten...
Yeeeep. Then he says 'Yippie ki yay mother****er' and shoots Palps in the kneecap.
One thing I never liked is how in TPM Obi-Wan instructs them to "Make no contact, send no reply of any kind" after watching that message saying that the death toll on Naboo is catastrophic etc. He doesn't even bother explaining to them why they shouldn't make contact, guess a traced communication should be common knowledge in the Star Wars universe?
In AOTC the whole romance scenes with Padme and Anakin are pretty cringe worthy, but I haven't been able to sit through AOTC in a long time.
Always bugs me how gullible Anakin is, in ROTS Palpatine pulls the ultimate bait and switch with the Darth Plagius story - then when Anakin finally kills Mace and asks to save Padme, Palpatine is basically like "Yeah, about that sorry...but I'm sure we can figure it out together." You'd figure Anakin would've decapitated Palpatine right then and there. But more than that it's almost like all the teachings he's had from Obi-Wan and the Jedi Order in general over the course of a decade or more never got through to him or something.
In AOTC the whole romance scenes with Padme and Anakin are pretty cringe worthy, but I haven't been able to sit through AOTC in a long time.
Always bugs me how gullible Anakin is, in ROTS Palpatine pulls the ultimate bait and switch with the Darth Plagius story - then when Anakin finally kills Mace and asks to save Padme, Palpatine is basically like "Yeah, about that sorry...but I'm sure we can figure it out together." You'd figure Anakin would've decapitated Palpatine right then and there. But more than that it's almost like all the teachings he's had from Obi-Wan and the Jedi Order in general over the course of a decade or more never got through to him or something.
Not really a "moment," more the way the weird way in which the Jedi were portrayed as a cult of celibate monks who indoctrinate children from infancy in the prequel films.
I always just sort of thought of them as mystical warriors before the PT who otherwise led regular lives.
When Yoda said Luke was "too old" to train in ESB, I didn't realize just by how much he meant.
I always just sort of thought of them as mystical warriors before the PT who otherwise led regular lives.
When Yoda said Luke was "too old" to train in ESB, I didn't realize just by how much he meant.
Episode III Anakin needs a kick in the nuts.
He has vision of Padme's death. He knows that his visions are pretty accurate on stuff like this. He knows he wasted time and couldn't save his mother. What's he do? Waste time and doesn't grab Padme, a compliment of Medical droids and haul ass to some out of the way world. More stupefying is the fact he doesn't do this after finding out that Palpatine is a Sith Lord.
He has vision of Padme's death. He knows that his visions are pretty accurate on stuff like this. He knows he wasted time and couldn't save his mother. What's he do? Waste time and doesn't grab Padme, a compliment of Medical droids and haul ass to some out of the way world. More stupefying is the fact he doesn't do this after finding out that Palpatine is a Sith Lord.
He got his nuts burned off along with everything else. Does that count?
Until you remember the scene in A New Hope where C3PO tells Luke that he's not much of a story teller. WTF? Did Luke get pissed off between films and order an upgrade?
Anakin comes across as creepy anyway in AOTC, especially when dealing with Padme. Not sure if that was intentional or not, but it's just weird how we're supposed to want to see this guy redeemed yet we hardly ever see any redeeming qualities in him in the PT.
The Anakin in Clone Wars is far better than live action Anakin. Live-action Anakin: You just think "had it coming ya' dick" when Obi-Wan bitches him up in Episode III.
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