Biggest insulting slap-in-the-face episode for fans?

[Trekker4747]

TATV wasn't a slap in the face it was a kick in the balls and then raping your mother... on Valentine's day.


There was just no excuse for it. How you take a series and end it in such a horrible way is beyond me.

 

[Salinga]

"Tuvix" I say. A Trek crew performing the death penalty because it had no "use" of a crewmen killed off the integrity of the entire show in one episode. After that one I never cared about the VOY crew anymore.

 

[Mirror_Barclay]

TATV. Nothing else comes close.

I like Chakotay/Seven - it meant there was a happy ending for Seven, who otherwise would have lost everyone she knew as a result of reaching Earth. But even if you didn't like that part, the episode at least focused on the Voyager cast.

Nemesis at least had a couple good special effects. Lame movie, but not a slap in the face

Star Trek V was abominable. But still not nearly as bad as TATV.

 

[xortex]

Didn't see TATV. Now I know why. Although linking time travel to the holodeck is a good idea. I just didn't see it so I don't know. In 'Tuvix', it should have been Tuvix who wanted to be seperated and the crew that didn't want to risk his or their lives, but it was the other way around for some reason. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

[Avilos]

"The Cage"! I was INSULTED that I was expected to believe that an alien would look like a human being....with pointy ears and a Moe Howard hair cut... The Bastards!

 

[xortex]

A beatles haircut.

 

[gblews]

PKTrekGirl said:
1. These are the Voyages - a complete slap in the face, not only to the fans, but to the entire cast of ENT...thanks to B&B's mistaken assumption that we would rather see more of the same tired-ass TNG actors looking for a paycheck than we would like to see a decent send-off for the ENT crew and cast.

Nailed it. Brutal Strudal, you too.

Let me add, the reason TaTV qualifies as a slap in the face as no other is because the Beebs knew they would only be allowed one hour for the final ENT episode.

Instead of allowing Manny Coto and his team to complete the resurrection of ENT and finish with the 3 part Sol system arc originally planned, they chose to exercise executive privilege (ignoring what was good for the show and it's fans in a massive show of ego) and present an episode that had nearly nothing to do with what had been built during season 4.

The entire season was leading to the birth of the federation, but instead, in the end we got Riker, Troi, and TNG again,

 

[CoveTom]

The God Thing said:
Seeing the names of Fred Freiberger, Harve Bennett, Leonard Nimoy, Rick Berman and J.J. Abrams under the "Executive Producer" credit.

Just curious... is there anyone you would like to see helm a Star Trek production today? Or is there no one out there you'd find satisfactory, and you'd prefer to see no further Trek produced?

 

[Wowbagger]

I would say TATV, but everyone else did, so I'll say "Precious Cargo," instead. Dullest hour of nonsense ever.

 

[Smiley]

"Sub Rosa" would qualify as a slap in the face to fans of Beverly Crusher. She was a well-written character, and all of that was ignored for this horrible episode.

 

[TeutonicNights]

For me:
- "Mine Field" for blatantly contradicting canon in hideous ways (and for a weak story) and not even having the bird on the BOP hulls.
- Shockwave Part 2. Some ridiculous plot holes held together by a ridiculous time travel story that made no sense at all.

 

[GodThingFormerly]

CoveTom said:
Just curious... is there anyone you would like to see helm a Star Trek production today? Or is there no one out there you'd find satisfactory, and you'd prefer to see no further Trek produced?

I want to see Star Trek finally laid to rest alongside Lucian of Samosata's Vera Historia and Johannes Kepler's Somnium, in that no Hollywood cockroach would ever dream of "rebooting" those works. That being said, there was a time when I used to fantasize about a resurrection of Phase II under the executive producership of PII script editor and TMP associate producer Jon Povill, but a brief e-mail exchange I had with the gentleman circa 2005 convinced me that such a project would have very likely been - from my perspective at least - a total disaster in the impossible event it ever actually happened. Don't get me wrong; Povill is a remarkably intelligent guy who was exceedingly polite and helpful when answering my questions concerning a couple of obscure production elements of ST:TMP, but he made several offhand remarks concerning that film which convinced me that his perception of what made Trek tick was almost diametrically opposite to mine.

TGT

 

[DarthTom]

I cannot believe that ST Nemesis didn't win this hands down. When you factor in the amount of money, time and effort that was supposed to go into the film, coupled with what should have been months of storyline, re-writes, and pre production planning that goes into a film verus a single episode, the film was undeniably the lowest of all of Trek.

I can forgive episodes like Threshold, Spock's Brain, and many other single episodes mentioned even These are the Voyages on Enterprise for their lack of creativity and insightfullness but all apparently lacked the same resources a full length motion picture should have received and didn't IMHO with Nemesis.

 

[JD]

Yeah, I guess when you put it that way, it would actually be worse than even TATV. Although, it's deffinitely pretty damn close.

 

[xortex]

The Gored Thing said:

CoveTom said:
Just curious... is there anyone you would like to see helm a Star Trek production today? Or is there no one out there you'd find satisfactory, and you'd prefer to see no further Trek produced?

I want to see Star Trek finally laid to rest alongside Lucian of Samosata's Vera Historia and Johannes Kepler's Somnium, in that no Hollywood cockroach would ever dream of "rebooting" those works. That being said, there was a time when I used to fantasize about a resurrection of Phase II under the executive producership of PII script editor and TMP associate producer Jon Povill, but a brief e-mail exchange I had with the gentleman circa 2005 convinced me that such a project would have very likely been - from my perspective at least - a total disaster in the impossible event it ever actually happened. Don't get me wrong; Povill is a remarkably intelligent guy who was exceedingly polite and helpful when answering my questions concerning a couple of obscure production elements of ST:TMP, but he made several offhand remarks concerning that film which convinced me that his perception of what made Trek tick was almost diametrically opposite to mine.

TGT

Care to elaborate ?

 

[Noname Given]

These Are The Voyages - just plain crap; and shows that Brannon Braga wasn't paying attention to what Manny Cotto had been doing since the end of ENT season 3; and that he was probably too busy gearing up for his big network failure, Threshold.

As for Rick Berman - He was clueless too given he figured everyone wanted to see a pudgy Willian T. Riker and over the hill Counselor Troi pop in and try to make the view believe 12 years hadn't passed since TNG went off the air.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

DarthTom said:
I cannot believe that ST Nemesis didn't win this hands down. When you factor in the amount of money, time and effort that was supposed to go into the film, coupled with what should have been months of storyline, re-writes, and pre production planning that goes into a film verus a single episode, the film was undeniably the lowest of all of Trek.

I can forgive episodes like Threshold, Spock's Brain, and many other single episodes mentioned even These are the Voyages on Enterprise for their lack of creativity and insightfullness but all apparently lacked the same resources a full length motion picture should have received and didn't IMHO with Nemesis.

Good point.

And I can buy it for Endgame, I suppose, as that was not the possible last episode of Trek ever seen on TV.

However, TATV is a different story.

This was, for all intents and purposes, Trek's final episode on TV. And what do they do to commemorate this occasion?

Answer: They proceed to illustrate in spades EXACTLY why the doggone thing was canceled! Because as had been their custom since about season 5 of VOY, they persisted in trying to go for the easy ratings rather than the compelling storylines.

"Oh...we don't have to give the ENT cast a decent send-off! They are not important. After all, it was Scott Bakula, Connor Trinneer and Jolene Blalock's fault that we were canceled! I mean, surely it wasn't US that were to blame for our shitty writing, after all! I mean, 'We are all very PLEASED', right? So it was the actors at fault! Yeah! The ACTORS!

So what the hell! Why do any actual WORK and give those characters a decent send-off? It would be much easier to bring in Frakes and Sirtus. I mean, it's not like they have anything ELSE to do - they will LEAP at the chance for another paycheck, no matter how shitty the episode.

Yeah...that's what we'll do! Let's make it easy on ourselves. Who CARES about the ENT crew and the Birth of the Federation when we can have Frakes and Sirtus to bring in the curiosity seekers who are just dying to know how the HELL you can wedge TNG characters into a show set 100 years earlier!"

 

[Anwar]

I'd have preferred the finale to be the crew reminiscing over all they've been through while at the same time the Romulans begin their attacks, and the end be the ship going off to fight in the Romulan Wars, but TPTB didn't want that sort of open ending...

 

[CaptainWacky]

EnsignYoshi said:
For me it was "the outcast".

More actually the fact that as a gay man I wouldn't exist in the "perfect" future that is star trek.

I found it quite offensive

Only on that one alien planet.

 

[Opus]

Voyager's "Flashbacks" - It was supposed to be an homage to TOS a la DS9's "Trials and Tribble-lations" which was GREAT BTW. But Braga and Co. ended up playing so fast and loose with established canon killing off characters who weren't dead at the end of TUC and getting the timeline all fowled up. TRhen with Janeway's speech at the end basically insulting the TOS era put the nail in the coffin for me. INSULTING!