Big questions left unanswered

[TIN_MAN]

Some food for thought:
I too, wish that some things were explained more fully. But we have to remember that the writers/creators of the show wanted the series to last langer than six seasons, but the network insisted on wrapping things up early! so it's very likely this resulted in some themes not being explored as fully as might originally been the entent of the writers/creators?

I really would have liked to have learned more about the Egyptian presence on the island and the significance of the giant Sobek/Crocodile/god statue with four toes? Might this have opened up the possibility of some sort of ancient astronaut angle, perhaps the builders of the temple caves to house and protect the light?

Also, I think the writers were familiar with, and drawing from, alternate science/prehistory speculations? Was the island part of the lost continent of Lemuria, which is said to have once existed in the Pacific ocean? And what about the magnetic anomalies and possible connections with ley lines and the 10 "vile vortices" (see linky below) said to circle the earth, one of which is the Bermuda Triangle, where odd things are supposed to happen, such as magnetic anomalies and ship and plane dissapearances?

If anyone is interested here's a good intro to this kind of stuff, especially the first chapter, "Mapping the world grid"...
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/c...rid/ciencia_antigravityworldgrid.htm#contents

 

[Delta1]

What is the Light? It's an uber-mystical energy source that keeps Evil at bay, and it needs to be protected.

But that's not what it does. Evil exists simultaneously with the light, all throughout the world. Jacob's own cultists were evil. And when the light was temporarily extinguished, the world didn't suddenly become any more evil. The closest thing we had to a purely evil character was created by the light and died while the light was extinguished.

The "keeping evil at bay" interpretation didn't even make sense when it was first presented. Jacob mistakenly conflated Roman Catholic hell with evil and malevolence. I'm surprised Richard didn't call him out on that. Obviously, Jacob was making it up on the spot, using religious imagery to recruit Richard and keep him away from the Man In Black. Just as previous island protectors and smokies used religion to recruit the Egyptians. It doesn't mean there's really a hell, devil, Taweret, or ineffable Evil lurking under the island; it's just a form of social control.

 

[DeafPoet]

2. Eloise Hawking

What didn't they wrap up about Eloise? Sideways Eloise is a little more mysterious, but given what the Sideways is I can let sleeping dogs lie on that one.

But real Eloise? I can't think of anything they didn't explain.

 

[gh4chiefs]

Well one, I didn't post in the LOST forum until season 3 or 4 nor did I say anything of the fact that I had it all figured out.

Well Ok, whatever you say. Unfortunately the archives don't go back far enough or I could seriously make you eat those words.

(At the time it happened I thought I should copy your post to bring it up again some day and didn't do it. Because I KNEW we were going to have this conversation some day. Again.)

Anyway no hard feelings man. It's been fun sparring with you but I've wasted enough time on this stupid show.

 

[exodus]

Well one, I didn't post in the LOST forum until season 3 or 4 nor did I say anything of the fact that I had it all figured out.

Well Ok, whatever you say. Unfortunately the archives don't go back far enough or I could seriously make you eat those words.

(At the time it happened I thought I should copy your post to bring it up again some day and didn't do it. Because I KNEW we were going to have this conversation some day. Again.)

Ok, if it such a thing really means that much to you........

 

[sidious618]

Some food for thought:
I too, wish that some things were explained more fully. But we have to remember that the writers/creators of the show wanted the series to last langer than six seasons, but the network insisted on wrapping things up early! so it's very likely this resulted in some themes not being explored as fully as might originally been the entent of the writers/creators?

No, the show ended because the writers wanted it to end. ABC would've loved for it to go on forever.

Well one, I didn't post in the LOST forum until season 3 or 4 nor did I say anything of the fact that I had it all figured out.

Well Ok, whatever you say. Unfortunately the archives don't go back far enough or I could seriously make you eat those words.

(At the time it happened I thought I should copy your post to bring it up again some day and didn't do it. Because I KNEW we were going to have this conversation some day. Again.)

Anyway no hard feelings man. It's been fun sparring with you but I've wasted enough time on this stupid show.

I'm having a hard time believing this.

 

[Starbreaker]

2. Eloise Hawking

What didn't they wrap up about Eloise? Sideways Eloise is a little more mysterious, but given what the Sideways is I can let sleeping dogs lie on that one.

But real Eloise? I can't think of anything they didn't explain.

How does she know the things she knows... appearing in Desmond's flashes, etc.

 

[Delta1]

Daniel knew more about time travel and the Swan than anyone else in the show. He wrote it all down in his journal. He also made a few notes about Desmond Hume, his constant, and Desmond's time traveling experiences. The Others inherited Daniel's notebook after he died. Eloise read it. She also met several losties from Ajira 316. After leaving the island, she raised Daniel to be a mathematical genius, so he could fill his journal with notes about time travel, the Swan, and Desmond, set off on the Kahana expedition, and get shot by her in the 1970s. Three years after the Kahana expedition, she sent the losties back to the Island on Ajira 316 so she could meet them in the 1970s. From Ellie's point of view, certain events from 3 years before the Incident to the Ajira flight were predetermined--anything she remembers, and anything Daniel saw fit to write down. You just have to imagine that Daniel wrote down a lot about Desmond (which is reasonable, given Desmond's role in the Swan and his interactions with Daniel).

Edit: I forgot that she met several of the losties in the 50s. The point still stands: her memories and the documentary evidence of Daniel's journal meant that several events were known to her years before they happened. Her confidence in, and the scope of, that knowledge are debatable.

 

[DeafPoet]

Delta1 basically summed it up. It's telling that she says to Penny "For the first time in a long time, I don't know what's going to happen next."

The farthest into the future she was able to see from Daniel's work (and having met Jack and Kate in the 70s) was when 316 departed. After that, she really had no idea. Which I think pretty conclusively states that there really isn't any more to her seemingly omniescient knowledge.

 

[exodus]

Some food for thought:
I too, wish that some things were explained more fully. But we have to remember that the writers/creators of the show wanted the series to last langer than six seasons, but the network insisted on wrapping things up early! so it's very likely this resulted in some themes not being explored as fully as might originally been the entent of the writers/creators?

No, the show ended because the writers wanted it to end. ABC would've loved for it to go on forever.

Well one, I didn't post in the LOST forum until season 3 or 4 nor did I say anything of the fact that I had it all figured out.

Well Ok, whatever you say. Unfortunately the archives don't go back far enough or I could seriously make you eat those words.

(At the time it happened I thought I should copy your post to bring it up again some day and didn't do it. Because I KNEW we were going to have this conversation some day. Again.)

Anyway no hard feelings man. It's been fun sparring with you but I've wasted enough time on this stupid show.

I'm having a hard time believing this.

Not to mention if it's true, that someone would hold on to such a thing for 6 years!!!!

 

[Starbreaker]

Delta1 basically summed it up. It's telling that she says to Penny "For the first time in a long time, I don't know what's going to happen next."

The farthest into the future she was able to see from Daniel's work (and having met Jack and Kate in the 70s) was when 316 departed. After that, she really had no idea. Which I think pretty conclusively states that there really isn't any more to her seemingly omniescient knowledge.

Ah... this helps. Thanks. I could probably stand to rewatch these episodes.

 

[TIN_MAN]

No, the show ended because the writers wanted it to end. ABC would've loved for it to go on forever.

Yes, when I stated that ABC wanted to end the show early I didn't just pull that out of my ass ya know, I was refering to the article at trekmovie.com from a season or two ago, which said exactly that! So, unlike your comment above, it's not just my opinion, I have a source.

 

[exodus]

No, the show ended because the writers wanted it to end. ABC would've loved for it to go on forever.

Yes, when I stated that ABC wanted to end the show early I didn't just pull that out of my ass ya know, I was refering to the article at trekmovie.com from a season or two ago, which said exactly that! So, unlike your comment above, it's not just my opinion, I have a source.

..but there were articles in most major entertainment mags that after ABC told the writers they only wanted two more seasons, the writers were relieved to know they had a time schedule to know when to wrap things up.

I could have swore we had discussed it here during that time.

 

[Delta1]

I haven't seen them in a few months, so my analysis could be completely wrong. But the loopy nature of time travel in this show leads to interesting questions.

Having met John Locke in the 1950s, and Locke's "herald" in the 1970s, Richard viewed Locke as some kind of promised savior. Is it a coincidence that Smokey selected Locke as his avatar? Did Locke's historical appearance in the 1950s give him his sense of destiny--some kind of localized place-memory letting him know his future was in the past of that place?

Lostpedia says there was a copy of Daniel's journal in the Hydra office. How many of the Others knew of its contents? Ben almost seemed to know the purple sky event was coming in Exodus. Did he know the date of the Swan's destruction? Did he ever meet Daniel Faraday, or have access to the original journal in 2004? I can see him writing notes to himself.

How did Eloise use the journal once she got to the mainland? Did it help her take over the Lamp Post? Did she direct the continuing supply drops, knowing from the journal that the Swan would be occupied until 2004?

These aren't big questions by any means, just little fish we'll never catch, like a school of guppies swarming away from a net.

 

[DeafPoet]

No, the show ended because the writers wanted it to end. ABC would've loved for it to go on forever.

Yes, when I stated that ABC wanted to end the show early I didn't just pull that out of my ass ya know, I was refering to the article at trekmovie.com from a season or two ago, which said exactly that! So, unlike your comment above, it's not just my opinion, I have a source.

Whatever, guy. Lindelof and Cuse have talked about negotiating an end date for the show at length in various interviews and podcasts.

If TrekMovie reported that then they got it wrong. I find it more likely that they covered it accurately and you misunderstood.

 

[exodus]

I haven't seen them in a few months, so my analysis could be completely wrong. But the loopy nature of time travel in this show leads to interesting questions.

Having met John Locke in the 1950s, and Locke's "herald" in the 1970s, Richard viewed Locke as some kind of promised savior. Is it a coincidence that Smokey selected Locke as his avatar? Did Locke's historical appearance in the 1950s give him his sense of destiny--some kind of localized place-memory letting him know his future was in the past of that place?

Didn't Terry O'Quinn say last night during the special that when Smokey & Locke meet for the first time, that Smokey picks him due to Locke's gullible nature to believe and be manipulated. That's why Smokey and Locke meet a few times face to face before Locke dies?

Remember, when Locke first meets Smokey face to face he tells Jack that he looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful. Too Locke, Smokey was a creature of beauty.

 

[Ryan8bit]

Remember, when Locke first meets Smokey face to face he tells Jack that he looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful. Too Locke, Smokey was a creature of beauty.

I assumed that he somehow saw the light of the island, not just the smoke, since he said, "I saw a very bright light. It was beautiful." It's possible that Smokey could emulate the light, or it's possible that what he saw wasn't at all Smokey.

 

[exodus]

Remember, when Locke first meets Smokey face to face he tells Jack that he looked into the eye of the island and it was beautiful. Too Locke, Smokey was a creature of beauty.

I assumed that he somehow saw the light of the island, not just the smoke, since he said, "I saw a very bright light. It was beautiful." It's possible that Smokey could emulate the light, or it's possible that what he saw wasn't at all Smokey.

Second time he meet Smokey he as willing to let it drag him underground. Remember, he even fought with Jack & Kate to let it take him.

 

[propita]

Or maybe, since Smokey had the light in him(?) or was made from the light, Locke's being special was that he could see that original light. He had to be special in some way because he was healed after crashing AND after being shot by Ben.

 

[Peter the Younger]

Or maybe, since Smokey had the light in him(?) or was made from the light, Locke's being special was that he could see that original light. He had to be special in some way because he was healed after crashing AND after being shot by Ben.

This is what I figured. Arabic myths related to the axis mundi describe it as a pillar of smoke, I guessed that Smokey was, in a way, an extension of the light in the island.