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Big questions left unanswered

Ii didnt bother me that everything wasnt answered, what bothered me was the route they took with the show. Basically the island (to me anyways) Is a bottle with a "cork" that when taken out releases something that will destroy the island and maybe the world. (Looked like brimstone to me) The island is maybe a little piece of heaven. Who knows??? But I dont like shows that have to resolve its problems with religion, heaven/hell. They killed almost every major character and than show ALL of them dead in heavens waiting booth created by the island. It was very stupid and not what I wanted from a show that had a really good mysterious start. So basically if anyone wants to answer any of the questions, just say god and the devil made it all happen.
 
I can understand some people's frustration with not getting enough of the main mythos explained. I would have like a bit more resolution on some questions I had. It felt like there was definitely a need to understand a bit more about the true nature of the island and what specifically would have happened if the MIB had gotten off the island. A bit more knowledge of what was really at stake and how it got to that place.

That being said, after digesting the episode now for the better part of 12 hours I'm pretty satisfied overall with the closure we got for the characters. I'll admit that when I first realized that the flash sideways was an afterlife construct on which they are all struggling to find themselves and one another that I thought maybe the writers had dropped the ball, but after keeping an open mind about it and really thinking on it, it's a nice, Lostian ending where the family that they had become moved on together.
 
Considering how coldly and easily Smokey killed people I think it's a safe bet that him getting off the island would have been bad. But was it really Smokey getting off the island the real problem or was it what allowed him to leave the real evil?
 
The writers did answer things. I will gladly give them credit for a great many of them but the problem though was they started answering them in S3-5 and developing them but then didn't finish developing them and as a result it feels unfinished and unsatisfactory. They only developed them part-way and it feels no more satisfying to me than when a series is cancelled and we are left with an open-ended cliffhanger with no resolution.

By the same token those like exodus or sidious are being disingenuous when they say "oh but the writers did answer (fill in the blank)" because the answers those two are attempting to provide aren't complete answers since they raise just as many questions--nothing about it is definitive. Well sidious and exodus they are answers of a sort but not whole complete answers--merely the tip of the iceberg. To have done them justice they needed more development. It's like the writers just threw their hands up in the air and said screw it.

So yes I'm going to penalize the series and criticize the writers about this season, this series finale and the Mythology as a whole. Spout all the rhetoric that Cuse and Lindelof have about the show was always about these characters but really in season one was it the most character-driven. Season 2 was a mess. S3-5 were Full on Mythology--feverishly pulling together clues sprinkled from all the set up in the early years and providing tons of exposition.

So a few good touching scenes are great but you have to view the series as a whole and the Mythology really fails it. I think there is a little bit of rewriting of history when it comes to how much of a centerpiece the mysteries and Mytholgy were to the show and how important the characters were.


You know I wish I could keep my head about myself and write more thoughtful answers like this, and while I try to limit the "I agree" reply to posts, I had to take the time to say "Well Done" startrekwatcher as you really captured how I feel about this series and why I ultimately think it failed me. In particular your quote about "the series as a whole." I've said before, the actors were mostly fantastic, single episodes were brilliant at times, but all of it together, it just felt like a waste when it was all said and done.

For those of you who felt like you had all your questions satisifactorily answered, you know what? Good for you, I'm glad for you. Seriously. Despite my tone at times, if you got out of it what you wanted, then I'm seriously happy for you. It just didn't work out for me (and I guess for a few others here.) I know that I'll never knowingly watch another series by these producers again, and probably will not watch any mystery/arc shows again in the future, but I'm not suggesting that anyone here should follow my lead. It's just me and my HO, and at the end of this 6 years, I've felt cheated, and let down.
 
You still can't explain the Force any better. You only describe what it does not what it is.
It's an energy field, created by life, that pervades the universe. That is what it is. That's pretty much all we can say about energy fields. Gravity is a field created by mass that pervades the universe. Electromagnetism is a field created by charged particles that pervades the universe. They can be usefully characterized by observations of what they do, and once you understand what they do, you can create a model that describes their place in the universe. F=Gm1m2/d^2. Therefore, gravity is a field that causes masses to accelerate towards each other. Yoda uses the Force to lift an X-wing and spy on Luke. Therefore, the Force is a field that can be consciously manipulated to do work and perceive the universe independent of sense organs. Can our observations of the Light be used to construct a useful model of how the Lost universe works? Does it make the Lost universe more coherent, or needlessly complex?

I initially brought up Tolkien but then I realized it doesn't apply because he wrote the Silmarillion which is basically an encyclopedia.
The Silmarillion comprises text printed on paper and bound between paper or boards, that's about all it has in common with an encyclopedia.

The power of the ring is not specifically explained in the Lord of the Rings story itself.

Sure its power is specifically explained in The Lord of the Rings. It "rules" and "binds" the other rings and "ensnares" their bearers (Shadow of the Past). If returned to Sauron, the other ring bearers would be "laid bare" to him (Mirror of Galadriel). It inspires tyranny in its bearers and sets them up to be Dark Lords (Shadow, Council of Elrond). It is "fraught with all his malice; and ... a great part of his strength of old" (Council). "All that was made or begun with that power" depends on it. Its destruction would leave Sauron nothing more than an impotent spirit (The Last Debate). It might even have enough sentience to talk (Mount Doom). This is all a fairly consistent description of a powerful, evil spirit injecting his essence into a physical object, and that object having a mental effect on other beings.

What may not be explained is the origin or nature of that power, or how it functions. But that doesn't need to be explained in LotR, because LotR is part of a larger work that comprises myth, history, epic verse, metaphysics, etc. It was always intended to be just one of many stories in the Arda cycle. Within that cycle, it functions as an epic. Other parts of the cycle function as myth or metaphysics, and the interested reader is free to consult them to explore the Arda cycle's cosmogony, theology, etc. Lost is not part of a larger work; it is complete and whole, and must stand or fall on its own merits.

Appendices don't count.

Why not? They're part of the canon. They're part of The Lord of the Rings. Tolkien wrote them and sent them to his publisher and said "Here is another part of The Lord of the Rings, George," and they have been published as an integral part of the novel since the beginning. You can't selectively ignore parts of LotR that you don't like. I mean, you can certainly ignore them, but you can't ignore them and have an intelligent conversation about LotR. (I am guilty of this in Star Wars: I ignored the Prequels in my earlier comment because I am not very familiar with them.)

But the point of Lost wasn't to explain the Light. That's not what the story was about.

When you write an elephant into a room, and the elephant is magic and its powers and its apparent purpose change every year, and it is impressed upon the characters that the elephant is dreadfully important and the entire reason they have been in the room for six years is to protect the elephant, and your finale is largely about attempts to destroy or save that elephant, then it is disingenuous wave away any criticism of the elephant by saying the story was not about the elephant.
 
The writers did answer things. I will gladly give them credit for a great many of them but the problem though was they started answering them in S3-5 and developing them but then didn't finish developing them and as a result it feels unfinished and unsatisfactory. They only developed them part-way and it feels no more satisfying to me than when a series is cancelled and we are left with an open-ended cliffhanger with no resolution.

By the same token those like exodus or sidious are being disingenuous when they say "oh but the writers did answer (fill in the blank)" because the answers those two are attempting to provide aren't complete answers since they raise just as many questions--nothing about it is definitive. Well sidious and exodus they are answers of a sort but not whole complete answers--merely the tip of the iceberg. To have done them justice they needed more development. It's like the writers just threw their hands up in the air and said screw it.

So yes I'm going to penalize the series and criticize the writers about this season, this series finale and the Mythology as a whole. Spout all the rhetoric that Cuse and Lindelof have about the show was always about these characters but really in season one was it the most character-driven. Season 2 was a mess. S3-5 were Full on Mythology--feverishly pulling together clues sprinkled from all the set up in the early years and providing tons of exposition.

So a few good touching scenes are great but you have to view the series as a whole and the Mythology really fails it. I think there is a little bit of rewriting of history when it comes to how much of a centerpiece the mysteries and Mytholgy were to the show and how important the characters were.


You know I wish I could keep my head about myself and write more thoughtful answers like this, and while I try to limit the "I agree" reply to posts, I had to take the time to say "Well Done" startrekwatcher as you really captured how I feel about this series and why I ultimately think it failed me. In particular your quote about "the series as a whole." I've said before, the actors were mostly fantastic, single episodes were brilliant at times, but all of it together, it just felt like a waste when it was all said and done.

For those of you who felt like you had all your questions satisifactorily answered, you know what? Good for you, I'm glad for you. Seriously. Despite my tone at times, if you got out of it what you wanted, then I'm seriously happy for you. It just didn't work out for me (and I guess for a few others here.) I know that I'll never knowingly watch another series by these producers again, and probably will not watch any mystery/arc shows again in the future, but I'm not suggesting that anyone here should follow my lead. It's just me and my HO, and at the end of this 6 years, I've felt cheated, and let down.
The writers told us a year ago that not all questions would be answered and that the end was going to be up to interpretation. So posters like you are going to hold a grudge over stuff you were already forewarned about?
So I'm not sure why you're this upset if we were all told this way ahead of time.
 
The writers told us a year ago that not all questions would be answered and that the end was going to be up to interpretation. So posters like you are going to hold a grudge over stuff you were already forewarned about?
I intentionally avoided spoilers, didn't read press releases, didn't watch the weekly trailers after an episode, didn't watch podcasts etc.

So I ws unaware of this tidbit. I think the internet has spoiled the tv viewing experience so I've tried to avoid it as best as I can--going into every episode not knowing what it would be about, what threads or characters would be the focus, unaware of the twists and turns or which characters/actors might be returning. I didn't care about theorizing or speculating or getting ahead of the writers. I was going to judge it on its own terms.

So as someone who didn't know a year ago that the duo weren't going to answer a lot of stuff then unlike the rest of you I didn't have a year to get used to it and prepare myself for it. So I would argue that my feelings about the finale and the mythology are a bit more of a natural honest reaction without preconceptions.

And on a side note it is ridiculous that these days writers can't do a good enough job in getting everything cleared up and explained onscreen that they have to do a podcast or an interview to help the audience understand stuff. Moore was bad like this, Kring was too and now Damon and Carlton.
 
The writers did answer things. I will gladly give them credit for a great many of them but the problem though was they started answering them in S3-5 and developing them but then didn't finish developing them and as a result it feels unfinished and unsatisfactory. They only developed them part-way and it feels no more satisfying to me than when a series is cancelled and we are left with an open-ended cliffhanger with no resolution.

By the same token those like exodus or sidious are being disingenuous when they say "oh but the writers did answer (fill in the blank)" because the answers those two are attempting to provide aren't complete answers since they raise just as many questions--nothing about it is definitive. Well sidious and exodus they are answers of a sort but not whole complete answers--merely the tip of the iceberg. To have done them justice they needed more development. It's like the writers just threw their hands up in the air and said screw it.

So yes I'm going to penalize the series and criticize the writers about this season, this series finale and the Mythology as a whole. Spout all the rhetoric that Cuse and Lindelof have about the show was always about these characters but really in season one was it the most character-driven. Season 2 was a mess. S3-5 were Full on Mythology--feverishly pulling together clues sprinkled from all the set up in the early years and providing tons of exposition.

So a few good touching scenes are great but you have to view the series as a whole and the Mythology really fails it. I think there is a little bit of rewriting of history when it comes to how much of a centerpiece the mysteries and Mytholgy were to the show and how important the characters were.


You know I wish I could keep my head about myself and write more thoughtful answers like this, and while I try to limit the "I agree" reply to posts, I had to take the time to say "Well Done" startrekwatcher as you really captured how I feel about this series and why I ultimately think it failed me. In particular your quote about "the series as a whole." I've said before, the actors were mostly fantastic, single episodes were brilliant at times, but all of it together, it just felt like a waste when it was all said and done.

For those of you who felt like you had all your questions satisifactorily answered, you know what? Good for you, I'm glad for you. Seriously. Despite my tone at times, if you got out of it what you wanted, then I'm seriously happy for you. It just didn't work out for me (and I guess for a few others here.) I know that I'll never knowingly watch another series by these producers again, and probably will not watch any mystery/arc shows again in the future, but I'm not suggesting that anyone here should follow my lead. It's just me and my HO, and at the end of this 6 years, I've felt cheated, and let down.
The writers told us a year ago that not all questions would be answered and that the end was going to be up to interpretation. So posters like you are going to hold a grudge over stuff you were already forewarned about?
So I'm not sure why you're this upset if we were all told this way ahead of time.

It has nothing to do with a grudge. I simply do not like this method of storytelling. I went into this show naively believing it would have a definitive end with definitive answers someday. Had they told us UP FRONT that it wouldn't ever have a complete final resoultion to everything, I would have never watched in the first place.

So they got me as a viewer this time. For the entire run of the series. They will not get me again. And it's not a grudge, it's a rejection of this method of story telling. From these producers, or any other show that goes this route. For example, I quickly abandoned Heroes when I realized it was going down this same route.
 
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It has nothing to do with a grudge. I simply do not like this method of storytelling. I went into this show naively believing it would have a definitive end with definitive answers someday. Had they told us UP FRONT that it wouldn't ever have a complete final resoultion to everything, I would have never watched in the first place.

So they got me as a viewer this time. For the entire run of the series. They will not get me again. And it's not a grudge, it's a rejection of this method of story telling.

What isn't resolved? What questions are not answered? Seemed pretty straight-forward to me.
 
It has nothing to do with a grudge. I simply do not like this method of storytelling. I went into this show naively believing it would have a definitive end with definitive answers someday. Had they told us UP FRONT that it wouldn't ever have a complete final resoultion to everything, I would have never watched in the first place.

So they got me as a viewer this time. For the entire run of the series. They will not get me again. And it's not a grudge, it's a rejection of this method of story telling.

What isn't resolved? What questions are not answered? Seemed pretty straight-forward to me.

Well again, to each his own. You were satisfied with the answers. I was not. I'm happy for you. Let's leave it at that.
 
The writers told us a year ago that not all questions would be answered and that the end was going to be up to interpretation. So posters like you are going to hold a grudge over stuff you were already forewarned about?
I intentionally avoided spoilers, didn't read press releases, didn't watch the weekly trailers after an episode, didn't watch podcasts etc.

So I ws unaware of this tidbit. I think the internet has spoiled the tv viewing experience so I've tried to avoid it as best as I can--going into every episode not knowing what it would be about, what threads or characters would be the focus, unaware of the twists and turns or which characters/actors might be returning. I didn't care about theorizing or speculating or getting ahead of the writers. I was going to judge it on its own terms.

So as someone who didn't know a year ago that the duo weren't going to answer a lot of stuff then unlike the rest of you I didn't have a year to get used to it and prepare myself for it. So I would argue that my feelings about the finale and the mythology are a bit more of a natural honest reaction without preconceptions.

And on a side note it is ridiculous that these days writers can't do a good enough job in getting everything cleared up and explained onscreen that they have to do a podcast or an interview to help the audience understand stuff. Moore was bad like this, Kring was too and now Damon and Carlton.
Ok, the first part of avoiding news & internet about it I can understand.

However, the reason why I feel questions were answered is I think the writers gave us enough clues and metaphors that we can fill in the blanks and interpret what happened in our own way.
An example was the cork in the bottle to explain what the island is. They didn't come right out and tell us but gave us a metaphor to make our own conclusions. Another example is, we saw people on the island around the time Jacob & Smokey were born. They became the first Others. It's not hard to assume due to Smokey living among them and Jacob there too, that the Temple, the Lighthouse, the statue, etc. were built by generations & generations of Others influenced by them. We know that the actor playing Walt grew up really fast, so he story had to change and be taylored to fit someone else. I would be surprised if Hurely got the ending meant for Walt. I don't see why posters like yourself can't view the show and do the same.
 
However, the reason why I feel questions were answered is I think the writers gave us enough clues and metaphors that we can fill in the blacks and interpret what happened in our own way. An example was the cork in the bottle to explain what the island is. They didn't come right out and tell us but gave us a metaphor to make our own conclusions. Another example is, we saw people on the island around the time Jacob & Smokey were born. They became the first Others. It's not hard to assume due to Smokey living among them and Jacob there too, that the Temple, the Lighthouse, the statue, etc. were built by generations & generations of Others. We know that the actor playing Walt grew up really fast, so he story had to change and be taylored to fit someone else. I would be surprised if Hurely got the ending meant for Walt. I don't see why posters like yourself can't view the show and do the same.

Agreed. I don't need people to come right out and tell me what's going on if there are enough pieces to put together a decent picture.

What is the Light? It's an uber-mystical energy source that keeps Evil at bay, and it needs to be protected. I don't need to know more than that.

Why can't women have babies on the Island? It was pretty clearly implied that it was a result of The Incident in Season 5. "Maybe whatever kills pregnant women on this island hasn't happened yet," to paraphrase Sawyer.

Why are there Egyptian hieroglyphs in the Hatch? Well, the people who built the Hatch probably saw hieroglyphs all around the Island and decided to use them as decoration.
 
However, the reason why I feel questions were answered is I think the writers gave us enough clues and metaphors that we can fill in the blacks and interpret what happened in our own way. An example was the cork in the bottle to explain what the island is. They didn't come right out and tell us but gave us a metaphor to make our own conclusions. Another example is, we saw people on the island around the time Jacob & Smokey were born. They became the first Others. It's not hard to assume due to Smokey living among them and Jacob there too, that the Temple, the Lighthouse, the statue, etc. were built by generations & generations of Others. We know that the actor playing Walt grew up really fast, so he story had to change and be taylored to fit someone else. I would be surprised if Hurely got the ending meant for Walt. I don't see why posters like yourself can't view the show and do the same.

Agreed. I don't need people to come right out and tell me what's going on if there are enough pieces to put together a decent picture.

What is the Light? It's an uber-mystical energy source that keeps Evil at bay, and it needs to be protected. I don't need to know more than that.

Why can't women have babies on the Island? It was pretty clearly implied that it was a result of The Incident in Season 5. "Maybe whatever kills pregnant women on this island hasn't happened yet," to paraphrase Sawyer.

Why are there Egyptian hieroglyphs in the Hatch? Well, the people who built the Hatch probably saw hieroglyphs all around the Island and decided to use them as decoration.
..or those at Dharma saw hieroglyphs all over the island in places that seemed like a warning. Someone in Dharma knew enough of the island to make that map on the bunker door.
 
I don't see why posters like yourself can't view the show and do the same.

Well I'm just not as smart as you.
If that is what you choose to believe....

Well hey you were telling us way back in season 1 how you had it all figured out, so what else is there to conclude?

And again. more power to you. You enjoyed the show. Great. Seriously, I'm glad you have had fun with it. So if I can respect that fact that you enjoyed it and feel like it answered your questions, then why can't you reciprocate that respect by accepting that some of us didn't "get it" and just weren't that satisfied with it. It's not life and death. You either like it or you don't. Big deal.
 
I've had almost a day to think about this... so here goes...

1. Walt
2. Eloise Hawking
3. Cindy
4. The supply drop... should have been resolved years ago, but to do so in the 6th season would have been stupid
5. Young Jacob.... what the hell was that?

Some more stuff I'm sure will irk me when I do a rewatch. :lol:
 
Agreed. I don't need people to come right out and tell me what's going on if there are enough pieces to put together a decent picture.

What is the Light? It's an uber-mystical energy source that keeps Evil at bay, and it needs to be protected. I don't need to know more than that.

While I don't "need" to know more than that to appreciate the journey the characters took, it would have been nice if we hadn't gotten just a little more about the stakes involved beyond just Evil Locke winning = Bad, Jack winning = Good.

Don't get me wrong, I'm more in your camp where overall I was pretty satisfied with the ending. I'm just saying I can understand people who wanted the details of the mythos flushed out more thoroughly.

That being said, I do think almost all the big questions were answered implicitly if not explicitly and those that weren't directly addressed can be intuited for the most part by what we know about the show.
 
That being said, I do think almost all the big questions were answered implicitly if not explicitly and those that weren't directly addressed can be intuited for the most part by what we know about the show.

Which is exactly why I like shows like this. There's always stuff to think about!
 
Well I'm just not as smart as you.
If that is what you choose to believe....

Well hey you were telling us way back in season 1 how you had it all figured out, so what else is there to conclude?

And again. more power to you. You enjoyed the show. Great. Seriously, I'm glad you have had fun with it. So if I can respect that fact that you enjoyed it and feel like it answered your questions, then why can't you reciprocate that respect by accepting that some of us didn't "get it" and just weren't that satisfied with it. It's not life and death. You either like it or you don't. Big deal.
Well one, I didn't post in the LOST forum until season 3 or 4 nor did I say anything of the fact that I had it all figured out.

I respect the fact you might not like the ending but I also respect the fact that most of the folks here are smarter than you give yourselves credit for. I'm not the one saying you're not smart, you're the one saying it about yourself. So even before I said a word, you already had that idea in your head. Nothing I or anyone else here said put that idea in your head. As I said, that is what you choose to believe.
 
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