Better series lead. Ed Mercer from "Orville" vs Burnham from "Discovery?"

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by Jayson1, Nov 11, 2018.

  1. CaptainMurdock

    CaptainMurdock Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Feb 5, 2013
    I did this. :D
  2. BillJ

    BillJ History’s Greatest Monster Premium Member

    Jan 30, 2001
    Covington, Ky. USA
    "We'll show them how deep and serious Star Trek is! Whip out the fake boob! Just one. We don't want mass hysteria!"
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  3. Refuge

    Refuge Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 16, 2016
    Really it was ticking boxes.

    Dopey character drops the f-bomb - tick
    Flash a tit - tick
  4. CorporalCaptain

    CorporalCaptain Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Feb 12, 2011
    standard orbit
    "Cheap laugh" has a connotation that the assumed joke is deserving of contempt for being underhanded, obvious, unkind, at someone's expense, and so forth. I'm not agreeing that the line deserves any criticism whatsoever.

    Anyway, I'm done with this. Get the last word, if you like. :) :techman:
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  5. Serveaux

    Serveaux The Man Premium Member

    Dec 30, 2013
    Always seeking new and better distractions
    Finding STD loatheseome is not the same thing as not liking Star Trek. ;)
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  6. BillJ

    BillJ History’s Greatest Monster Premium Member

    Jan 30, 2001
    Covington, Ky. USA
    I'm just at a point in my life where I'm going to go where I'm entertained. Badging and branding used to be super important for some reason I've never figured out, but life's too short to waste on a product that simply doesn't work for me.
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  7. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Admiral Admiral

    Apr 11, 2014
    It's funny to me to read this because I struggle with the feeling but can distinctly point to TNG as something that lacked that hook for me as "Star Trek". I guess its a "I know it when I see" thing that is nebulous at best... :shrug:

    Regardless, there is room in my entertainment heart for both and its because of Mercer and Burnham.
  8. gblews

    gblews Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Apr 13, 2004
    So. Cal.
    Thanks, I will... :)
    A "cheap laugh" doesn't necessarily have be anything derogatory. Sitcoms are shot through with cheap laughs. The Big Bang Theory, or any Chuck Lorre show, is a textbook in cheap laughs.

    No, a cheap laugh is simply a joke that is "obvious", and/or "easy". Having the Compton line delivered by the only black earth dwelling human on the bridge crew is part of what made the joke cheap. Anyone could have written it. All it took to deliver the joke was having it delivered by a black person. That is part of what made the joke "cheap".

    I really hope we don't continue to see the Lamarr character used as a conduit for cheap contemporary humor about 20th/21st century black culture in season 2.
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2018
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