I know one of the designers of "Stella" there.I assume you mean aside from the one hooked to my TV right now...
Better Living Through CGI
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Agreed. While it would certainly have been cool to see a more intense fight in "The Ultimate Computer" between the Enterprise and the task force, had it been possible in the 1960s, I've had the same issue watching the TOS-R versions. The visual styles between the older and newer effects just don't seem to mesh IMO.
With the spaceships what I don't like is the odd views of the ship's nacelles in space and the fact that the nacelles appear on the screen when they are viewing behind them in space! Plus the obvious is The Enterprise looks like a cartoon ship, much greyer than the original model!
JB
JB
Short changing the CGI battle with 'The Ultimate Computer' was my biggest disappointment. The ships did move well at a distance, but with several Constitution class ships severely damaged or destroyed I wanted to see so much more. The Constellation in 'TDM' gave me hope- if only they had cut to some tumbling wreckage while M-5 was giving it's assessment...
I wanted to see the fleet arrive at the end of "Errand of Mercy". That would have been a great opportunity to throw in some ships other than yet another Constitution class...
^ My bad. I thought there already was a shot when they got back, but that it only showed Enterprise on the Federation side. However, in checking, it turns out I was thinking of the shot when the Klingon fleet forced Enterprise to leave in the first place. So you're right, there's really no place to put it. Drat.
That is a problem. In my mind I envision even better fx shots of the F-104 intercepting the Enterprise and getting crushed, but then I imagine trying to edit them into the show, and the live-action footage would have to be re-worked, or make it a slightly longer episode.
Still, what could be done today with this aerial confrontation and its tractor beam conclusion would be amazing.
I really like certain moments in the Remastered Trek. My favorite is probably the shot of the Botany Bay drifting away from the Enterprise in "Space Seed" under the log entry that starts "They have my ship." I also liked the redesigned Tantalus Penal Colony in "Dagger of the Mind" and Flint's home in "Requiem for Methuselah."
The places I hated it were whenever it had the sense of the CGI artists "fixing" what the people who worked on TOS did. Was it necessary for them to change the blue color scheme of the Scalos backdrop in "Wink of an Eye"? No, not in the least. Did we need a blinking Gorn? No, not really. Did every TOS planet have to look so Earthlike all of a sudden? Absolutely not. In fact, it made TOS look a lot more homogeneous.
So for me it was a bit of a mixed bag. At least they had the sense to keep the original versions available.
The places I hated it were whenever it had the sense of the CGI artists "fixing" what the people who worked on TOS did. Was it necessary for them to change the blue color scheme of the Scalos backdrop in "Wink of an Eye"? No, not in the least. Did we need a blinking Gorn? No, not really. Did every TOS planet have to look so Earthlike all of a sudden? Absolutely not. In fact, it made TOS look a lot more homogeneous.
So for me it was a bit of a mixed bag. At least they had the sense to keep the original versions available.
Define "available". If the only version broadcast or streamed are the ones with the new effects it basically makes the originals unavailable to the vast majority of the audience who don't purchase DVD and BluRay sets and who probably have no idea different versions exist.
"Easier to acquire than the original versions of the Star Wars OT"?
If one does their research and is willing to spend the cash, they can readily buy the original versions of the TOS episodes, in HD no less. Hence, available. If one wants the original versions of the Star Wars OT, well, they have to track down that old DVD release, which I think may be OOP? And of course, it's only SD. And non-anamorphic.
I for one am glad they kept the original versions available. They didn't have to.
And if someone doesn't actually know that the original versions even exist, it probably doesn't bother them that they're not watching them on TV or streaming.
Most members of the general population are not even aware of the difference. A year or so ago, I was with some of my non-Trekkie friends and a conversation regard "The Trouble With Tribbles" happened somehow, which ended up with everyone watching the episode on Netflix. While there were comments that the ships looked better than they remembered, they were surprised when I informed them of the changes made.
--Alex
--Alex
Well, I try to be helpful...
I dunno, maybe this is a glass half-emtpy/half-full type of thing.
But "most places" != "all places". If someone knows about the original versions and wants them, they can readily get them. They could have easily left the originals off the blu-rays entirely. As a fan, I appreciate that I can get the originals if I want them, even if they're not found in every conceivable place I might see Star Trek. The fact that their availability is more pull than push doesn't really change that. IMHO, of course.
I was quite impressed with TNG-R because it looks like TNG under the best conditions of the time rather than something obviously changed up decades after the fact.
Thats part of what bugs me with TOS-R. TOS could never have looked like TOS-R even under the best of conditions of the 1960s. It would have had a different look. Some fan efforts are much closer to what TOS could have looked like under the best of conditions of the 1960s.
No FX team will ever say they had enough time or money.
I always thought they needed to do more fixes on the episodes, not less, but the results they did make are better than the original unaltered episodes.
RAMA
The Klingon ship was pretty bad. I know the secondary hull was a nightmare of complex curved surfaces, but what on Earth gave them the idea that those Impulse Engines were a good addition. Find detail already there and enhance it or follow the K't'ingas lead but just backdate it some.
I don't mind the idea of new effects, and I think some of the TOS-R stuff looks pretty good (phaser beams, planets from orbit). But a lot of it just looks too much like contemporary CGI, not something made in the '60s (despite Justman saying this is all the way they wanted to do things from the beginning).
Kor
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