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Better Call Saul, the TV series

JirinPanthosa said:
When Gus was first trying to get in with the cartel they murdered his best friend and original cook. Hector fired the shot.

When Eladio was poisoned he fell into the pool and there was a shot from the same angle that he was diving into the pool in the opening shot.
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Ahhh...yes, thank you for the reminders.

JirinPanthosa said:
Mike didn't use the power tool to torture Chuck, he used it to get him out of the room.
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Oh, I know that, but I'm sure Jimmy knew that was deliberate consequence of sending Mike there to fix the door specifically.

JirinPanthosa said:
I'm not sure what they're angling but it seemed like an attempt to cast Chuck as unable to take care of himself, like with the gas lantern on the paper.
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Ah, that makes sense. I didn't realize the problem with the lantern on the paper until just now.
 
I actually felt .. respect, and maybe a little admiration, for Gus after this episode and the previous one. This is very strange, since I had been rooting against him, and for Walt, so much during BB.
 
Push The Button said:
I actually felt .. respect, and maybe a little admiration, for Gus after this episode and the previous one. This is very strange, since I had been rooting against him, and for Walt, so much during BB.
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Exactly, they want to give you a different side of Gus making him a sorta hero figure in the series (Hector being the villain) . In this way, Breaking Bad fans will feel a little bit different about Gus when when they think back to the Breaking Bad episodes he was in. New fans will view Gus completely different than we did, if they watch Better Call Saul first then watch Break Bad for the first time after. You can tell the producers are framing the story to be this way.
 
Gus is a great character but more a lesser evil than a good. He's a bad guy who will take the nonviolent solution over the equally effective violent one in all matters not involving personal revenge. Remember Tomas, the 11 year old whose murder he condoned for the opportunity to kill Jesse without losing Walt.

As a fictional character I love Gus, but by reality standards he's a clear evil.
 
JirinPanthosa said:
I'm not sure what they're angling but it seemed like an attempt to cast Chuck as unable to take care of himself, like with the gas lantern on the paper.
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Good theory, my mind still keeps spinning around with what Jimmy and Kim want with those photos.

Loved that opening shot, reminding us of Eladio's fate. With the gesture of Chuck regarding the bill of damages, I take the opportunity to give you my position in this conflict of brothers. It's true that Chuck does everything in his eagerness to comply with the law, even if he kills the relationship he has with his brother in the process. And that's far from being wrong. But, for me, he crossed the line with Mesa Verde.

True, it was a golden opportunity for him to prove his worth while keeping a major client to HHM. But he could have forgotten it as a gesture of goodwill to Kim. Chuck knew that by doing something like he did, he was only going to cause Jimmy to do something foolish. He forced an unnecessary conflict with the younger brother who had tolerated all his electromagnetism crap, reason why he had stopped working in the first place. In the end, he only proves he is an envious brother who still seeks the approval of his parents and he can't overcome the fact his wife left him...
 
I think Chuck is going to have a breakdown in the courtroom. In one of the highlights of future episodes, I seem to remember Kim reaching for an old electronic device--some old tape player that looks industrial as all get out--as if it were hooked to a 440. outlet.
 
As Chuck said, standards of proof are far lower for the bar association. Jimmy needs to support his argument that his confession was a lie he made just to make Chuck feel better. A breakdown in the courtroom plus evidence that Chuck was neglecting his own safety would make that point beautifully.
 
Emh said:
I thought the same thing, but I also knew I was missing some of the nuances because I've forgotten so many of the details of Breaking Bad. I really need to watch it again.
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I hear that. A rewatch is in order for sure, or at least maybe some season refreshers. Was anyone else expecting this show to be dependent on Breaking Bad characters? This looks like a great summary for 3 minutes:
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The scene with Gus and he staff the day after the incident was entertaining for sure.

Watching Chuck and Jimmy outdo each other is fascinating but also a little and pathetic for both of them. Chuck appears driven to get Jimmy disbarred since they'd concluded the tape would have no use in a trial. We know Jimmy eventually changes his identity to Saul Goodman and continues to practice law, but the question is how much longer can he hold out for this show as Jimmy? I'm guessing by season's end Jimmy is officially disbarred and cannot practice law anymore - remember that scene from the premiere when he yells at the shoplifting kid to "get a lawyer!"

I really hope that Kim makes it (out of the show alive). Before that, I hope Jimmy keeps making those excellently cheesy commercials.
 
If Jimmy was disbarred he couldn't practice law under any name.

I think he changes his name as an official final split with his brother.

The thing about use of BB characters is certain characters can't meet Saul or Mike. Saul has to know Gus exists but not know who he is or that Mike works for him. Walter can't meet anyone, Jesse can only meet Crazy 8.
 
I don't think Jimmy is just angling to have his brother break down during the hearing so he gets off; I think his endgame is to flip things on his brother and make Chuck the one who is disbarred, due to mental illness.

What Jimmy said earlier this season is correct. Chuck will die all alone in that house.
 
JirinPanthosa said:
I think he changes his name as an official final split with his brother.
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Ah, that's a good point. I hadn't thought that would be the reason why Jimmy would change his name. "Oh, and Chuck? You've disgraced the name 'McGill' so I'm going to change my name to something else because I can't stand to use it anymore"...but with the elegance of Vince Gilligan. ;)
 
I was thinking more along the lines of, he's finally lost the desire to impress his brother. I hope Chuck doesn't get disbarred but he may be suspended for mental health reasons.

My working theory is that Chuck will be the one to track him down at Cinnabon and they will have a cathartic moment.
 
JirinPanthosa said:
I was thinking more along the lines of, he's finally lost the desire to impress his brother.
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Yeah, I could see that happening, but for now, I like my idea more.

JirinPanthosa said:
My working theory is that Chuck will be the one to track him down at Cinnabon and they will have a cathartic moment.
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I don't know. Chuck is so buried and blinded in his disgust with Jimmy as a lawyer and we've seen how deeply seeded Chuck's resentment and bias against Jimmy's general being in the flashback with his wife (who still haven't learned why she left him). Considering how in ingrained all of this is from Chuck's perspective that I just can't see him moving past it, even if he "wins." That and I just like the Kim theory better.
 
In the future Chuck has won, though. Jimmy returning to being a lawyer is no longer an issue. You may come back from a Chicago Sunroof but you don't come back from money laundering for a famous drug manufacturer which Skylar surely told the police all about. His best case scenario if he gets caught is making a deal to get out before he's 70. We know he cares about Jimmy, when pressed by the lawyer he backed off from giving him serious jail time. I think Chuck would still help him with that.

Chuck needs to get treatment for his electricity psychosis but I hope he doesn't get disbarred, and if Jimmy pushed for that it would make me dislike him more than Chuck.
 
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Vince already proved that Chuck's isn't real though.

Jimmy passing out could be a tumor or it could just be a panic attack from frustration over his inhibited new life.

They could actually cameo Hank in this show if they wanted. He can meet Jimmy and he can meet Gus, he just can't see them as anything other than an unscrupulous lawyer and an upstanding member of society.
 
That was brilliant.

I like the way Jimmy invited Rebecca. Chuck thought it was to rattle him, but it was to prevent his prophecy coming true of him dying alone.
 
That was a masterstroke and a nice turnaround from the heavy focus on Gus last week. While I'm a little surprised the committee allowed Jimmy's antics of the battery and Huell's (HUELL!!!) slipping it into Chuck's pocket, I have to applaud Jimmy's ability to completely manipulate the situation and Chuck specifically. Come to think of it, I'm surprised Kim went along with all of this manipulation. This was more Charlie Hustle than Jimmy Lawyer.

I didn't remember the name of the actor who played Huell so I was pleasantly surprised when he bumped into Chuck. Now we have both Francesca and Huell. We're not too far from Saul Goodman...

We got more details about the separation and divorce and how it pertains to Chuck's "illness," but we still don't know the nature of why Chuck and Rebecca separated in the first place. However, it sounds like it had something to do with her career, hence the amicable break-up.

JirinPanthosa said:
I like the way Jimmy invited Rebecca. Chuck thought it was to rattle him, but it was to prevent his prophecy coming true of him dying alone.
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Oh, nice observation. I hadn't considered that angle.
 
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