If Kim dies, we will storm the studio, take Vince Gilligan hostage and demand he reshoot the ending.
Better Call Saul, the TV series
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Ignacio. 
I swear if Gus doesn't hold up his end of his bargain...
What a long and painful road Ignacio has gone down, all for the sake of protecting his father. I figured things wouldn't end for him but I didn't expect him go out so early in the season. So much for the theory of him being the first one to go the Cleaner.
So now Kim and Saul think Lalo is dead with Saul facing the worst version of being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Friend of the cartel or a rat. Either way is a shit sandwich...even worse if Saul makes the wrong choice before finding out Lalo is actually still alive. Considering the line from Breaking Bad, I think we know which way Saul chooses.
Speaking of whom, Lalo was conspicuously absent. Was he the tail from the end of the last episode? I doubt it. So what is that bastard of a weasel up to...?
I didn't think there could be a more disturbing image than the upshot of Hector's eyes burning with rage upon discovering Ignacio crippled him.
But then we kept hearing him shooting into Ignacio's corpse right into the credits. That made my skin crawl.
Don't you dare, Vince.
Don't. You. Dare.
I swear if Gus doesn't hold up his end of his bargain...
What a long and painful road Ignacio has gone down, all for the sake of protecting his father. I figured things wouldn't end for him but I didn't expect him go out so early in the season. So much for the theory of him being the first one to go the Cleaner.
So now Kim and Saul think Lalo is dead with Saul facing the worst version of being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Friend of the cartel or a rat. Either way is a shit sandwich...even worse if Saul makes the wrong choice before finding out Lalo is actually still alive. Considering the line from Breaking Bad, I think we know which way Saul chooses.
Speaking of whom, Lalo was conspicuously absent. Was he the tail from the end of the last episode? I doubt it. So what is that bastard of a weasel up to...?
I didn't think there could be a more disturbing image than the upshot of Hector's eyes burning with rage upon discovering Ignacio crippled him.
But then we kept hearing him shooting into Ignacio's corpse right into the credits. That made my skin crawl.
First off, perfect meme usage.
Secondly, spot on. Along with Rhea Seahorn, the Emmys really need to recognize Michael Mando.
He acted the shit out of this episode. The call to his Dad. Telling off both Fring and the Salamancas.
A tragic ending to a great character. But he was in the game, and the bill came due.
At the very least, he went out on his own terms.
Sign me up! Even if it's just him still sitting in that motel.Huell needs his own spin-off.
I swear to God, if they kill Kim I'm going to burn that studio to the ground....
I'm right there with you guys!
Don't you dare, Vince.
Don't. You. Dare.
Think of the Saul we know and love (and cringe at) in Breaking Bad. Is the ultimate version of him a result of Kim's death, her leaving him and hightailing it out of Albuquerque, or her taking the fall and behind bars? I'm sure there are other options. If she died, then is throwing himself 1000% into the Saul persona his way of coping with the loss?
If Kim lives (behind bars or not), Gene know she's out there somewhere - only adding to his misery.
I dunno. Kim dying almost seems too obvious. Not in Breaking Bad == dead?
If Kim lives (behind bars or not), Gene know she's out there somewhere - only adding to his misery.
I dunno. Kim dying almost seems too obvious. Not in Breaking Bad == dead?
Michael Mando talked with A.V. Club about yesterday's episode (the whole interview is worth reading) and this particular bit came up:
I completely forgot about Mike saying that to Jesse and, honestly, that interpterion makes perfect sense.
AVC: Mike very much did want to save Nacho. Do you think the loss of Nacho, especially after Gus made Mike kill Werner, is what solidified Mike breaking bad?
MM: That’s a good question. I think we should ask Jonathan Banks that question. As a viewer, to me, I know that Mike tells Jesse in Breaking Bad, “I had a guy, and you’re not that guy.” And according to some fans, they think that Mike is referring to Nacho. But those are just fan theories that I read on the internet. You’d have to ask Vince and Peter the details of those questions. But our fans are incredible.
MM: That’s a good question. I think we should ask Jonathan Banks that question. As a viewer, to me, I know that Mike tells Jesse in Breaking Bad, “I had a guy, and you’re not that guy.” And according to some fans, they think that Mike is referring to Nacho. But those are just fan theories that I read on the internet. You’d have to ask Vince and Peter the details of those questions. But our fans are incredible.
I love the idea that Nando is the only character 'breaking good'.
I agree that Michael Mando deserves some recognition for his acting chops. He's phenomenal in this.
One thing that did occur to me. Given the Cartels are notorious for enacting vengeance on family members, can Mike and Gus genuinely protect Nacho's dad if the Salamancas decide to go after him?
As upset as I am at Nacho dying, oddly this makes me more hopeful that Kim will survive. I still believe she'll be the first to use vacuum guy (however they'll make that work) and the romantic in me still hopes she and Jimmy end up together at the end (but Nacho also reminds me this ain't that kinda show). It would be underwhelming and a bit obvious if 'not in Breaking Bad = dead'.
I agree that Michael Mando deserves some recognition for his acting chops. He's phenomenal in this.
One thing that did occur to me. Given the Cartels are notorious for enacting vengeance on family members, can Mike and Gus genuinely protect Nacho's dad if the Salamancas decide to go after him?
As upset as I am at Nacho dying, oddly this makes me more hopeful that Kim will survive. I still believe she'll be the first to use vacuum guy (however they'll make that work) and the romantic in me still hopes she and Jimmy end up together at the end (but Nacho also reminds me this ain't that kinda show). It would be underwhelming and a bit obvious if 'not in Breaking Bad = dead'.
Or use stock footage sparingly but have an associate be the one to meet Kim and prepare her for her new life. Hell for all we know Robert Forster might have been the apprentice of another guy/gal who retired leaving him the business!
There is another option to new identity/death/prison for Kim of course. She might just quite legally up and move to Illinois (or wherever) to live a mundane life, leaving Jimmy behind. I don't think it's likely, but it is possible.
There is another option to new identity/death/prison for Kim of course. She might just quite legally up and move to Illinois (or wherever) to live a mundane life, leaving Jimmy behind. I don't think it's likely, but it is possible.
Mike’s guy can’t be Nacho cause Nacho never worked under Mike. It’s probably Victor, who at the time had just been box cut.
Kim being dead isn’t the only reason she might not be in Breaking Bad. Jimmy could push her away to get her out of the game, and that would make him miserable enough to fully become Saul. Or, if her actions end up getting Howard killed she could have an emotional crisis that makes her leave. Or for all we know, Kim ends up getting caught in a felony and becomes Forster’s first client. Hell, we don’t even know for sure she wasn’t there in BB.
I see no reason for Gus to go after Nacho’s father. Besides having to go through Mike, he has no incentive to. Nacho’s father is a civilian who poses no threat to him and hasn’t wronged him in any way. I’d be more worried about the Salamancas extending their revenge to him.
Kim being dead isn’t the only reason she might not be in Breaking Bad. Jimmy could push her away to get her out of the game, and that would make him miserable enough to fully become Saul. Or, if her actions end up getting Howard killed she could have an emotional crisis that makes her leave. Or for all we know, Kim ends up getting caught in a felony and becomes Forster’s first client. Hell, we don’t even know for sure she wasn’t there in BB.
I see no reason for Gus to go after Nacho’s father. Besides having to go through Mike, he has no incentive to. Nacho’s father is a civilian who poses no threat to him and hasn’t wronged him in any way. I’d be more worried about the Salamancas extending their revenge to him.
I'd say Nacho, since Mike was more emotionally invested into Nacho than Victor. We never saw Mike interact with Victor the way we did with Nacho. It doesn't have to be about the nature of their working hierarchy...
It's the Salamancas I was worried about. Gus does have a twisted sense of honour, and there's nothing for him to gain from doing it. Even if Mike hadn't made his tacit threat I suspect Nacho's dad might be perfectly safe, from him at least
At that point though, Nacho had been dead for five years and Mike’s source of frustration was the drama stirred up by Walt.
Nacho was a “Good criminal” to Mike. When Mike yelled at Jesse there was a clear accusatory tone like he was blaming Jesse for the void he was filling.
It’s possible that once Jesse proved his worth, the reason Mike warmed up so much to him was he started reminding him of Nacho.
You forget that Breaking Bad only spans two years, and some say the current season of Better Call Saul already overlaps with the beginning of BB (Tuco should be getting out soon). So I'd say about a year or so. I don't remember when Walt's 51st birthday was. But his 50th was in the premiere, and his 52nd was during the finale (or so).
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You’re forgetting that Better Call Saul explicitly starts in 2002 and only two years have passed, and BB starts in 2008.
If you look up the Breaking Bad Wiki you will find several explicit references to the date fans have spotted, for example, Jimmy and Kim’s marriage certificate saying May 28, 2004. We are 4 years before BB.
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It's interesting that we know everyone in Nacho's final scene will end up dead by the end of Breaking Bad.