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Better Call Saul, the TV series

There's also the possibility that Lalo dies offscreen somewhere between BB seasons 2 and 4 and we will see that some time in BCS season 6.

The main reason we have to think he's dead is that Fring is adamant there are no more Salamancas.
 
^Perhaps, but little strange Fring didn't mention Lalo to Hector...unless it has been a while and not part of the attack on Fring's facilities by the Salamancas prior to that scene and Hector would have already known...

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I've been pondering as we wait for the finale tomorrow.

I think I believe that the Gene scenes takes place years after he left his life as Saul Goodman. He wouldn't be so broken quickly. He seemed okay in the vacuum guy's basement, a bit concerned about Walt but he was okay. He wouldn't be broken by working at cinnabon so quickly, especially if something bad happened to Kim as a resut of his dealings with the cartel.
 
So disappointed we're coming to the end of another season - this is the only series on my "must watch" list.

Absolutely outstanding season. No doubt they'll knock it out of the ballpark tonight ...
 
...but there's also a couple of old folks and they've never done anything to anybody.
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How the heck do you know, Nacho? You barely met them :lol:


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Jimmy looks more broken than the whole time he was Saul on Breaking Bad, after talking with Mike. Mike was being an ass. Can't really blame Jimmy for reacting the way he did....

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Kim's rockin' a KC Royals PJ shirt. Jimmy as Gene had a Royals lunch bag...Too forced?
 
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Wow. Did not expect Lalo to survive that. Now he knows for sure Nacho betrayed him.

Still, no way Lalo would just go into hiding. He would go to Eladio and tell him about Fring. And we know that did not happen.

I’m as surprised as Jimmy that Kim wants to utterly destroy Howard to get the Sandpiper payoff.
 
The wait for the sixth season is going to be hell :lol:

Whatever happens in the sixth season, we'll have to see why Saul feared Lalo had sent men after them, and he had to say it was Nacho.... Even if Lalo thought he was into it, he had to know he wasn't the mastermind behind it. He wasn't...

Mike is an asshole


I'm starting to think Kim has a past. We barely saw a flashback...her alcoholic mother trying to pick her up. I don't think she was a goody two shoes now...


I'm starting to think the broken version of Saul/Jimmy/Gene we see in the Gene scenes, is because of the path Kim took, not because he wasn't Saul anymore. He somehow associates his time as Saul in that office we saw on BB, with the terrible path Kim was about to take...as we watched her go in the bathroom in the episode tonight. I fear she ended up being worse than Saul ever was.
 
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Damn. I didn't expect that to happen.

Not Lalo overcoming the assassins Gus sent him. No, I fully expected that to happen, even without the benefit of Saul's first lines to Walt and Jesse.

No, I didn't expect Kim to, well, break bad. That, after joking around about what practical joke they could pull on Howard next after his failed attempts to "warn" her about Jimmy's ill behavior, Kim would seriously consider doing destroy his career and cause the Sandpiper case to prematurely close for the payoff. We always knew she had a mean streak in her, especially when it came to scamming lowlifes that deserved it, but she always seemed to have a clear ethical line that she would never cross because of her staunch belief in the law (not unlike Chuck). But to harm Howard in such a way so that she and Jimmy could score big because of his earlier role in the Sandpiper case? That once seemed unthinkable.

We've all feared Kim's fate and where she could be during Breaking Bad, often suspecting either death or lose of her license, and while either of them are still conceivable (least of all, because Lalo is still alive), the once far-fetched theory that the Other Desk in Breaking Bad could actually be hers might seem possible now. Whatever the outcome, I already know this upcoming final season is going to be incredible and I cannot wait.

P.S. Nacho better run like hell. Lalo knows he was the inside man. Will Gus give him cover? I doubt it.
 
^That...is probably what I think is festering Jimmy during his time as Gene...rather than being unable to be Saul Goodman.He is more able to reflect about Kim's fall....
 
The Nth Doctor said:
Damn. I didn't expect that to happen.

Not Lalo overcoming the assassins Gus sent him. No, I fully expected that to happen, even without the benefit of Saul's first lines to Walt and Jesse.

No, I didn't expect Kim to, well, break bad. That, after joking around about what practical joke they could pull on Howard next after his failed attempts to "warn" her about Jimmy's ill behavior, Kim would seriously consider doing destroy his career and cause the Sandpiper case to prematurely close for the payoff. We always knew she had a mean streak in her, especially when it came to scamming lowlifes that deserved it, but she always seemed to have a clear ethical line that she would never cross because of her staunch belief in the law (not unlike Chuck). But to harm Howard in such a way so that she and Jimmy could score big because of his earlier role in the Sandpiper case? That once seemed unthinkable.

We've all feared Kim's fate and where she could be during Breaking Bad, often suspecting either death or lose of her license, and while either of them are still conceivable (least of all, because Lalo is still alive), the once far-fetched theory that the Other Desk in Breaking Bad could actually be hers might seem possible now. Whatever the outcome, I already know this upcoming final season is going to be incredible and I cannot wait.

P.S. Nacho better run like hell. Lalo knows he was the inside man. Will Gus give him cover? I doubt it.
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I think they've done an incredible job of keeping us on our toes as to which way Kim was going to swing. I didn't really know if she was being serious about Howard and Sandpiper; over dinner I thought she may have been building up to laying into Jimmy for what he did. And, oh man, the way she delighted in telling Jimmy how he'd gone about things the wrong way beforehand. Loved the two gun boom-boom moment -- Kim got her "it's all good, man" moment, leaving Jimmy speechless.

Lalo... of course he survived. I'm ready for S06E01 now, thanks.
 
Finn said:
The wait for the sixth season is going to be hell :lol:

Whatever happens in the sixth season, we'll have to see why Saul feared Lalo had sent men after them, and he had to say it was Nacho.... Even if Lalo thought he was into it, he had to know he wasn't the mastermind behind it. He wasn't...

Mike is an asshole


I'm starting to think Kim has a past. We barely saw a flashback...her alcoholic mother trying to pick her up. I don't think she was a goody two shoes now...


I'm starting to think the broken version of Saul/Jimmy/Gene we see in the Gene scenes, is because of the path Kim took, not because he wasn't Saul anymore. He somehow associates his time as Saul in that office we saw on BB, with the terrible path Kim was about to take...as we watched her go in the bathroom in the episode tonight. I fear she ended up being worse than Saul ever was.
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That flash back with Kim's mum, was supposed to show us that she is an enabler.
 
A typically tense episode to end the season. I wasn't expecting Lalo to survive, so I guess that's more me being a fool in expecting the expected. ;)

It's a shame that Lalo knows that Nacho betrayed him, so Run Nacho, Run will be the subtitle for next season.

Kim continues to keep me on my toes with her development. Is it next year yet?
 
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I'm not sure how Lalo surviving that will play with what we know from Breaking Bad. If Lalo breathes one word to Eladio, Gus would never be trusted a few years later.
 
The Nth Doctor said:
We've all feared Kim's fate and where she could be during Breaking Bad, often suspecting either death or lose of her license, and while either of them are still conceivable (least of all, because Lalo is still alive), the once far-fetched theory that the Other Desk in Breaking Bad could actually be hers might seem possible now. Whatever the outcome, I already know this upcoming final season is going to be incredible and I cannot wait.
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Perfectly stated. What happens to Kim????
 
JirinPanthosa said:
I'm not sure how Lalo surviving that will play with what we know from Breaking Bad. If Lalo breathes one word to Eladio, Gus would never be trusted a few years later.
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Except Eladio was the one who sent that gang after Saul, from what I understood based on that night Gus called him after Mike told him what happened out in the desert. Lalo likely suspects Eladio was behind the raid that night and Nacho was working for someone else reporting to Eladio, not Gus.
 
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A couple of casting notes I forgot to mention before: I keep forgetting that Steven Bauer (aka Manny in Scarface) plays Eladio. It's such perfect casting, not just because of his most famous role, but also how he manages to exude so much charisma and danger at the same time, all within his few brief appearances (only four episodes between the two shows).

As a regular viewer of The Daily Show, it was a little jarring to have Roy Wood Jr. pop up as the public defender that Kim cozies up to get some cases. However, one of his greatest strengths is that weary, frustrated voice that he often utilizes in bits for The Daily Show and he incorporates that voice with aplomb to give that public defender a sense of realism in his limited time on screen.
 
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Except Eladio was the one who sent that gang after Saul, from what I understood based on that night Gus called him after Mike told him what happened out in the desert. Lalo likely suspects Eladio was behind the raid that night and Nacho was working for someone else reporting to Eladio, not Gus.
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I dunno, Lalo is basically a version of Mike without empathy. I don’t see him blaming anyone but Gus, he suspected something was suspicious about his release. Lalo is too smart to blame anyone but Gus.

Eladio did not send the gang. It was that other guy whose name I don’t remember, the guy who dies in BB from “Friendly Fire” after the twins die.
 
I have been predicting this from Kim actually for awhile. She let to many things slide with Jimmy it was becoming clear she wasn't being naïve. She simply doesn't mind so much and it's part of the reason why I think she loves Jimmy so much. They have lots in common. I even think she is wanting those cases not so much to help people though she isn't evil so of course she proably does like helping people who needed to be represented. But she likes the challenge and sort of getting into the dirt on cases that are difficult and can't be settled before trial like the other lawyer guy mentioned.

It's kind of why I think Jimmy likes doing the things he does. He likes the whole game of it all. The excitement of it all though violence is clearly one step to far for him so he isn't quite Walter White in that regard. Though I wonder if Kim will be. It could be the reason why she dies and he doesn't. Sort of shows why she didn't mind standing up to Lalo where she could have been killed were Jimmy was more passive.

Jason
 
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