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Best TrekLit Villain - Star Trek Magazine wants to know...

^Doesn't qualify. We saw the future Emperor Tiberious in Mirror, Mirror.
Really? I don't recall that. Marlena speculates on Kirk's aspirations at one point in the episode, but I don't think it was ever shown as coming to fruition.

What I should have said is that we saw mirror-Kirk in Mirror Mirror. Remember Spock bringing him to the brig? If Iliana is disqualified because of the taped message to herself being seen on the show, I would think that Tiberious would be disqualified for the same reason. The mirror-Kirk we saw on the show becomes Tiberious.
 
^ Ah, I see. In other words, it's simply because mirror-Kirk was established on-screen, and is therefore disqualified regardless of how his destiny plays out in the books. Got it.
 
^ Ah, I see. In other words, it's simply because mirror-Kirk was established on-screen, and is therefore disqualified regardless of how his destiny plays out in the books. Got it.

The rule was set up to eliminate Dukat really...

...but eliminating Tiberius is a nice side-effect!

P
 
I didn't think of Iliana from DS9 PF in part because of her... issues... if you will.

I still think that Locken was a pretty good DS9PF villain- smart, a bit desperate, nothing really to lose, genetically enhanced. He had a pretty terrible vision for the future and it was probably well within his grasp to pull it off. And he did some pretty brutal things, and all with my favourite trek species!!
 
I'll just list my favorites:

  • Prime Minister Kinchawn (A Time To Kill and A Time To Heal)
  • Adrik Thorsen (Federation)
  • The Shedai Wanderer (Harbinger, Summon the Thunder, Reap the Whirlwind, and Open Secrets; briefly in the first and last)
  • Ethan Locken (Abyss)
  • Black Omne (The Price of the Phoenix, The Fate of the Phoenix)
  • Androvar Drake (The Ashes of Eden)
  • Barkan Lokar (A Stitch In Time)
 
I've asked this before without success but has anyone else got a memory of and/or a copy of a fan produced third book in the Phoenix saga - one of those things I regret not buying when I saw it in the early 80s.

Just a random thought - Shatner playing a very old James from the Phoenix book alongside Pine as Kirk...
 
Some of my favorites for the list:
  • Koll Azernal, from A Time to...
  • the Shedai Wanderer, from Vanguard
  • Ariel, from The Buried Age
  • Ethan Locken, from Section 31: Abyss
  • Raiq, from Rising Son
 
My favorites:
Zife and his conspirators, and Kinchawn from A Time To Kill/Heal
Ethan Locken from Abyss
Gothmara and Morjod from Left Hand of Destiny
Ryjann, Zoran, and Yoz from the first four NF books.
The Redeemers from NF.
Gerid Thul from Double or Nothing.
Aeventeer Vokar from Serpents Among the Ruins.
The Shedai from Vanguard.
 
Wow. I have always thought that Mitra worked pretty well as a villain in The 34th Rule, but I seldom see him mentioned these days (perhaps, I hope, because the novel is a decade old at this point). Anyway, thanks for bringing him up, Allyn; that's very gratifying.
I reread The 34th Rule about three years ago, not too terribly long before I left Raleigh. What struck me at the time was how prescient it was, that Gallitep could have been Abu Ghraib or Guantanimo, and the treatment of Rom and Quark at the hands of Mitra and his soldiers was not unlike the abuses and the torture subjected to prisoners held in the American Galliteps.

I find it ironic that the people shouting down Congressmen at town halls meetings and comparing the health care bill to Nazism are the very same people who would have condoned, if not outright applauded, the torture in Guantanamo and other prisons, who would have defended the torturers by saying "They were only following orders" and offering the Nuremberg Defense. I wonder if they're aware of the cognitive disconnect of their positions, I wonder if they're aware of their historical tone-deafness. I doubt it.

What will always stick with me from The 34th Rule is a scene near the end. Nog and Quark have been freed from Gallitep, and they're aboard the Defiant. Sisko had no idea what had happened to them, Quark is defiantly angry at Sisko's blindness, and Sisko takes Nog into his quarters to talk. The conversation they have isn't described. It doesn't need to be. It's a moment of quiet power that, ten years later, still moves me.

It's no wonder, at least it's not wonder to me, that people still remember Mitra. The 34th Rule is that kind of book.
 
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I find it ironic that the people shouting down Congressmen at town halls meetings and comparing the health care bill to Nazism are the very same people who would have condoned, if not outright applauded, the torture in Guantanamo and other prisons, who would have defended the torturers by saying "They were only following orders" and offering the Nuremberg Defense. I wonder if they're aware of the cognitive disconnect of their positions, I wonder if they're aware of their historical tone-deafness. I doubt it.

:wtf:

If they think Nazism was about health care, then they're pretty much totally disconnected from reality.
 
I've asked this before without success but has anyone else got a memory of and/or a copy of a fan produced third book in the Phoenix saga - one of those things I regret not buying when I saw it in the early 80s.

Just a random thought - Shatner playing a very old James from the Phoenix book alongside Pine as Kirk...

I don't remember hearing anything about a third fan-produced book since I'm not heavy into fan fiction. But it does sound like an interesting read if any one else out there knows about it!!

I'm assuming the Old James is when the Vortex opens again in some 53 years at the end of the second novel? I remember the duplicates but never an older one. I always imagined Omne as being like the Controller from the Iron Man comics with the voice of the Kingpin from the original Spider-Man cartoon. But I could easily see some one like Jensen Ackles (from Supernatural) with his charming and dangerous attitude as Omne taking on a Chris Pine Kirk. That would be interesting!! Let's see Zach Quinto's Spock deal with that emotionally charged situation!:cool:
 
^You mean Roscoe Lee Browne, who was Kingpin in the '90s animated Spidey series? That wasn't the original Spidey cartoon, it was something like the fourth. Kingpin in the original 1967 series was played by an actor named Tom Harvey, who did dozens of other roles on that show.
 
I'm assuming the Old James is when the Vortex opens again in some 53 years at the end of the second novel? I remember the duplicates but never an older one. I always imagined Omne as being like the Controller from the Iron Man comics with the voice of the Kingpin from the original Spider-Man cartoon. But I could easily see some one like Jensen Ackles (from Supernatural) with his charming and dangerous attitude as Omne taking on a Chris Pine Kirk. That would be interesting!! Let's see Zach Quinto's Spock deal with that emotionally charged situation!:cool:

The idea of Old James was just that at the end of Fate, if I remember rightly, Omne and James are sent to another universe... and nothing's to say that they arrived at the same relative time (presumably 2269).
 
I find it ironic that the people shouting down Congressmen at town halls meetings and comparing the health care bill to Nazism are the very same people who would have condoned, if not outright applauded, the torture in Guantanamo and other prisons, who would have defended the torturers by saying "They were only following orders" and offering the Nuremberg Defense. I wonder if they're aware of the cognitive disconnect of their positions, I wonder if they're aware of their historical tone-deafness. I doubt it.

:wtf:

If they think Nazism was about health care, then they're pretty much totally disconnected from reality.

Have you not seen the news these last few weeks? "Health care reform = Nazis!" and other crazy stuff has been everywhere.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYNDTcdYokY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ2i9cEtZ60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXua4Wd7O-U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1NyJgvjWi0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4G9RGxahTM&feature=fvw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyXvkQPz-0&feature=related
 
I'm going with Admiral Batiste from Full Circle.

He did everything he could to get Voyager back into the DQ until Janeway said "over my dead body" - and as soon as the Borg Crisis was over, ( and with Janeway dead) off they go - commanded by him!

I say that's villainous, especially as he's so nasty to his ex wife.
 
I'm going with Admiral Batiste from Full Circle.

He did everything he could to get Voyager back into the DQ until Janeway said "over my dead body" - and as soon as the Borg Crisis was over, ( and with Janeway dead) off they go - commanded by him!

I say that's villainous, especially as he's so nasty to his ex wife.

.... how on Earth is that villainous?

I mean, it's obviously an interpersonal conflict, but Batiste isn't exactly violating anyone's rights there or trying to hurt anyone. And his logic for sending Voyager back to the Delta Quadrant is compelling. Neither side in that fight are the bad guys.
 
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