Best Trek Film Score Sans TMP
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trevanian
Rear Admiral
TFF has the most beautiful stuff in the whole batch of films, between the Yosemite opening and the descent to the god planet, so it gets my vote.
However, TWOK has got great stuff ... trouble is, it was great music before TWOK even existed, when it was written by other composers for other movies. Very catchy, though.
However, TWOK has got great stuff ... trouble is, it was great music before TWOK even existed, when it was written by other composers for other movies. Very catchy, though.
I agree on both counts. TFF is my favorite score. Most of the music is beautiful. TWOK comes in a close second, but as you said it is derivative. Horner even stole from himself. Watch Krull to hear what I'm talking about.
You forced us down to one! Damn you 
Some what hesitent, but Horner's TWoK won easily.
Second place is a hard one for me, as I feel 5, 7 & 8 are on an even playing field, but different styles.
Some what hesitent, but Horner's TWoK won easily.
Second place is a hard one for me, as I feel 5, 7 & 8 are on an even playing field, but different styles.
First Contact. Amazing theme music.
Saying a movie composer stole from himself is like saying water is wet. They all steal from each other, and from classical music genres. And all of them have "tendencies" that they know work and use whenever they can. Williams, Kamen, Rosenberg, Goldsmith, Eidelmann, et al, they ALL take from themselves...
I can't choose just one. I like aspects of all the Trek soundtracks with the exception of INS and NEM.
TWOK - Leaving Spacedock
TSFS - Stealing the Enterprise
TVH - Enterprise - A/Closing Credits
TFF - Openning Credits/Climbing El Capitan
TUC - Enterprise and Excelsior flyover/closing credits
GEN - Kirk's horseback ride in Idaho
FC - Vulcans landing in Montana
TWOK - Leaving Spacedock
TSFS - Stealing the Enterprise
TVH - Enterprise - A/Closing Credits
TFF - Openning Credits/Climbing El Capitan
TUC - Enterprise and Excelsior flyover/closing credits
GEN - Kirk's horseback ride in Idaho
FC - Vulcans landing in Montana
I know what you're saying and agree for the most part. But have you seen Krull? To say that Horner is relying on his "tendencies" is being quite generous.
trevanian
Rear Admiral
Forget about KRULL (except for the guy who went on and redeemed himself by playing Eddington), listen to BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS. It's largely a poor man's orchestration of TWOK (also very fun, damn it), done a couple years earlier. But with BATTLE, the lifts from other composers are more obnoxiously obvious, especially from Goldsmith's GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY (which was barely a year old at that point.)
The thing with Horner is that he does the EXACT same thing. Listen to 48HRS and COMMANDO. GORKY PARK and RED HEAT. It's like that "kirk's explosive reply" thing that he trots out in ALIENS and other times, or the 'stealing the enterprise' thing that comes out in UNCOMMON VALOR, practically the same arrangments as well as the same notes.
The thing with Horner is that he does the EXACT same thing. Listen to 48HRS and COMMANDO. GORKY PARK and RED HEAT. It's like that "kirk's explosive reply" thing that he trots out in ALIENS and other times, or the 'stealing the enterprise' thing that comes out in UNCOMMON VALOR, practically the same arrangments as well as the same notes.
You're right of course. I had forgotten about Battle Beyond the Stars. I loved that as a kid. Plus I was glad to see John Boy Walton get some work.
What you say is true. Not only does Horner steal from himself, but it seems like he's too lazy to even try to hide that fact.
Horner used to be one of my top 3 on the composer list until I became painfully aware of how unoriginal he could be. I don't think I've been interested in anything he's done in the past 20 years. He actually used a segment in Cocoon that was note-for-note from the Genesis Countdown scene in TWOK. I still love his early stuff like the Treks and Battle Beyond the Stars, regardless of how derivative. I had forgotten he did Krull. I might have to drag that one out and watch it again, for old time's sake. If I can get through it.
TUC, with TWoK and FC close behind.
TWOK with TSfS a very close second.
