Best Star Trek Ever
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I'm starting to like the show, although it IS convoluted; the war with the Klingons, swapping mirror universe characters, spore drives and now time travel. The spore drive technobabble in particular is starting to sound annoying (or just plain confusing) I thought we we're kind of done with that stuff! lol.
It's a little obvious this is a rewrite of canon--- it's doing some of thing its own way, but it's still pretty interesting to watch anyway.
But I did find the mirror universe stuff enjoyable because they went full ham with it. And I watched every minute the episodes, so I would have to put it as pretty good for now.
It's a little obvious this is a rewrite of canon--- it's doing some of thing its own way, but it's still pretty interesting to watch anyway.
But I did find the mirror universe stuff enjoyable because they went full ham with it. And I watched every minute the episodes, so I would have to put it as pretty good for now.
It's certainly my favourite first season of any Trek series.
Can't fairly rank it against the other series yet, given they had so many more episodes (with both the positives and negatives inherent in that), but if it continues at this level of quality it will replace DS9 at the top of my rankings.
Can't fairly rank it against the other series yet, given they had so many more episodes (with both the positives and negatives inherent in that), but if it continues at this level of quality it will replace DS9 at the top of my rankings.
Best special effects I might agree with. Best ST ever? Nah, not by a long shot. I'd have to put it at the bottom at this point.
I'm enjoying it myself, but best Star Trek ever? Sorry no.
For me it's still the original series (aka TOS). YMMV.
For me it's still the original series (aka TOS). YMMV.
I came away thinking it the best after watching the first 9 episodes in one sitting after buying Netflix Japan over the winter holiday. Then the euphoria evaporated. Didn’t have to wait long for the new episodes.
Still like it a lot, though I’m not sure about continuity. This is the Prime timeline? Looking forward to the last 2 episodes.
Also watching TOS on Netflix Japan. Renewed love for it. It may always be the best. Finishing 2nd season today.
I like Discovery but wouldn't rank it as the best yet. DS9 is number one for me with Discovery coming in second, TNG third, Voyager and then Enterprise dead last. I haven't seen enough of TOS to rate it yet but based on what I have seen it will probably either make it to second place or surpass DS9.
Your sadness brings joy to my heart.
Not complex, sophisticated or smart. Convoluted and dumb.
A show lives or dies on the strength of its characters. We've had exactly one great character, who then grabbed the idiot ball in a big way and ruined everything.
Best Star Trek? So far, no. But it's still early.
Best Star Trek? So far, no. But it's still early.
Yeah, I am enjoying Disco but it is far from the best Trek ever for me.
1) TNG by a hair. S1 was ROUGH. S3-S7 really outstanding & ended on a fantastic note.
2) TOS a very close 2nd. Best first season by far, with 29 episodes, not 15. S2 still strong, S3 dipped.
3) DS9. I didn't watch these as they came out. I did at the start but it lost me early. After my recent run through, I would rate it a solid 3rd.
4) VOY. Before my rewatch I'd have rated it higher. Pretty good at the start save for Neelix (who did get better). Seven helped. But the endless holodeck episodes & endless shuttle program got annoying.
5) ENT. Better than I thought on rewatch. Fewer really good ones. Still, not that much of gap with VOY. Still, the last ep leaves a bad taste.
6) TAS.
Now, I will say Disco could be the best 1st season after TOS. With VOY/ ENT being the other candidates.
1) TNG by a hair. S1 was ROUGH. S3-S7 really outstanding & ended on a fantastic note.
2) TOS a very close 2nd. Best first season by far, with 29 episodes, not 15. S2 still strong, S3 dipped.
3) DS9. I didn't watch these as they came out. I did at the start but it lost me early. After my recent run through, I would rate it a solid 3rd.
4) VOY. Before my rewatch I'd have rated it higher. Pretty good at the start save for Neelix (who did get better). Seven helped. But the endless holodeck episodes & endless shuttle program got annoying.
5) ENT. Better than I thought on rewatch. Fewer really good ones. Still, not that much of gap with VOY. Still, the last ep leaves a bad taste.
6) TAS.
Now, I will say Disco could be the best 1st season after TOS. With VOY/ ENT being the other candidates.
Maybe not the best ever (DS9 holds that title for me), but it definitely is the best first season of all the Treks (besides TOS). Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first seasons of the rest of the spinoffs, but it's standalone episode nature didn't have me hooked week after week like DISCO does with its serialized storytelling. I like the characters aren't squeaky clean, best and brightest Starfleet has to offer like some of the other spinoffs. I really hope this will continue into season two, although if Jason Isaacs doesn't come back as Prime Lorca, those will be some big shoes to fill for the poor bastard who's Discovery's next skipper
As others stated as well, it really is way to early to say it's the best Star Trek. It's something I notice a lot more these days with tv shows. A few episodes air, but a show is already hailed as 'the best new thing on tv'. Give it some time to see where it goes. For all we know, the next few seasons will suck hard.
Having said that, I do feel this is a fantastic show in general, and a great Star Trek show. DS9 will always be my favorite, but this has a good change of becoming a close second.
Having said that, I do feel this is a fantastic show in general, and a great Star Trek show. DS9 will always be my favorite, but this has a good change of becoming a close second.
It's a good show that will likely get better. The characters are its weakest point and I hope they do something to change that next season. I am a DS9 guy and I think it would be hard to outdo that. They need to pepper in some one off episodes to build up the characters. An episode dealing with Saru's people needs to happen. In general they need to expand the main cast a lot next season because, barring a reset, it is down to what 4 regular cast members.
All I can say for certain at this point is that it is better than VOY and ENT, both of which drove the TNG format into the ground.
All I can say for certain at this point is that it is better than VOY and ENT, both of which drove the TNG format into the ground.
It's definitely not the best Star Trek ever. It probably holds second place in the "Best First Season" competition after TOS, but that's a pretty scarily low bar. It's fun, enjoyable, some good characters and ideas, and much less self conscious pretension than its predecessors. It's still clunky though, and the plot just went off the rails in the second half. Plus it is lacking in those truly great episodes which pepper later seasons of the other spin-offs and the first year of TOS. It needs, in essence, a bit more thinking through the story and a bit less talking about how deep it all is.
While it's early to say it's the best one, it has already got a strong start. Certainly better than the first two seasons of TNG or the first one of DS9, and it's already second after DS9 for me after a mere 13 episodes. However, I think Season 2 will have the ability to make it or break it, but considering what I've seen so far, I'm cautiously optimistic. My largest hope is that they'll expand the cast for the next year (especially since Lorca's dead and Tyler/Voq's fate is quite uncertain), the bridge crew in particular need a serious fleshing out. But then again, Garak and Weyoun were introduced as one-off guest characters, so there's hope, I think.
I think this is an extremely fair and reasonable assessment. From a relative standpoint (first 13 episodes of a series) it's easily the best of all the spin-offs.
It's had the knack of being wildly entertaining and fun despite some very flawed storytelling and other uneven elements. A lot of it has admittedly been carried by two actors (Yeoh and Isaacs) neither of whom figure to fit into the future plan with any regularity.
I think S2 is going to be very critical for DSC. If they can maintain a consistent vision and consistency in the writer's / producers roles they have a shot. If they can maintain the serialized format with some edge and some twists, and tell a bit more of a traditional Star Trek story while not falling back and making it feel like a regression to VOY or TNG they will be doing themselves a huge favor.
I look forward to seeing what the conclusion of S1 brings.
You'll get no quarrel from me on that score. The writers are masterful at painting themselves into a corner, then ignoring said corner or bulldozing the wall in a flurry of nonsense.
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