Spoilers Best or Biggest Takeaways from Season 3
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Remember when Q was dead for realises? They'll be back sooner rather than later.
Yeah, I thought the Fenris Rangers were dedicated vigilantes, not pirates or brigands.
RLM picked up on this as well, especially regarding the TNG films. BTW, a great post.
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The season 2 plan went through several permutations. It likely changed when Matalas departed to plan season 3. One data point is that Akiva Goldsman did a credited rewrite on the script for "Farewell" that was originally written by Matalas 12 MONKEYS collaborator Chris Monfette.
PRODGY's writers have indicated the transwarp conduits have been in use since "Endgame".
Biggest for me was seeing TNG cast back on the Enterprise bridge, and Picard in the command chair being a Captain one last time.
The Artefact Borg cube in S1 was very sterile, pristine, modular, regimented, bright, derived, and with more volume - the Zombie Queen's "super" cube from S3 was mainly cramped, dingy, cancerous, outdated, and dark.
That's what I thought too, but Raffi made that comment about Starfleet giving a ship to a pirate, a thief and a spy. Raffi is obviously the spy, and I believe Jack was the thief, so that leaves Seven as the pirate?
Oh god, please no.
Are we doomed to rehash the same events over and over again?
I didn't like how Data died so I redid it.
I didn't like how Data died again so I brought him back.
I didn't like how the Enterprise-D crashed, so I brought it back.
I didn't like how Kirk died so...
It all gives me a big "yuck."
I didn't like how Data died so I redid it.
I didn't like how Data died again so I brought him back.
I didn't like how the Enterprise-D crashed, so I brought it back.
I didn't like how Kirk died so...
It all gives me a big "yuck."
Well, let's see how this season is received...
In terms of the canon of the Star Trek universe, this is something that needs to be actively seized upon. Prodigy has done some of it. If we get Legacy, it should be a part of it too.
Warp Speed increased manyfold between 2051 and 2300, to the point that the Federation expanded up to the borders of the Klingon Empire and Romulan Empire in the "East". But it's expansion was mostly focused in the Beta Quadrant (from Starcharts). In the first half of the 2300s, it expanded West, North West and South and came upon the the Ferengi and Cardassians and a few minor powers. By 2375, Warp speed had doubled vs 2393, and this allowed exploration further afield, but it took long duration ships, like the Galaxy class and Voyager. Five year missions didn't work anymore. Space was too big.
Point being, with warpspeed, the federation was reaching the limits of how far it grow. The distances were getting to big. Going from Warp 7 to Warp 9 enabled the 24th century expansion as we know it (maps below), but Warp 9.99, a speed only the most advanced exploration vessles could go, wasn't going to let the Federation expand much more.
If we look at Star Trek from a realistic historical perspective, if the Federation must grow and expand its knowledge of the universe, post-warp means of propulsion are existential. The Transwarp experiments in the 2280s make a lot of sense as an early attempt, as if the Federation realizes this early. By 2380, having fought major conflicts against major powers form neighboring quadrants, they're already late to the game.
I've long felt that Voyager's chief legacy by far should have been to give the Federation Quantum Slipstream drive. That would be the biggest takeaway from its 7 years in the Delta Quadrant... the big return... as the technology is broadly compatible with the Federation's. The books seized on this point, and I agree with it. While the USS Dauntless in Prodigy has it, the Protostar and use of Transwarp conduits point to three efforts by Starfleet in the 2380s to finally find ways to travel beyond "Local Space".
Disappointingly, Discovery has not dealt with this. Everyone still sues Dilithium-regulated Warp Drive, just with more decimal points. I hope that is ignored and it turns out 32nd century Warp Drive is just a colloqualism for a post-Cochrane type of warp. It's an interesting story.
Below are a few maps I made for a discussion a long time ago. Maybe relevant. Shows how the Federation expanded and how big the distances got and why more speed is essential. Source is Starcharts and some other maps.
Green / 1 = Roughly region the NX-01 explored (excluding linear trips up to Klingon space).
Yellow / 2 = The "new territory" the NCC-1701 explored in the five year mission, again excluding operations in Federation Space in the Beta Quadrant.
White / 3 = The regions of exploration into uncharted space of the Enterprise-D, mostly before Season 4. Starting in Season 4, there was a shift to border patrol duty and mapping known but uncharted regions of Federation and borderland space, particularly in Romulan and later Cardassian borders.
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In purple: the Federation of ~2300. The Romulan Empire was about the same size as the mid 24th century and the Klingon Empire was about half it's 24th century size. Between 2151 and 2300, the Federation "filled in" the purple area to act as a buffer against Klingon and Romulan encroachment. This is when Archanis became Federation space and what not. The spread further into the Alpha Quadrant and contact with the Ferengi and Cardassians came in the middle decades of the 2300s (starting around 2320) after peace with the Klingons and then the Tomed Incident turning the Romulans isolationists pacified the large Beta Quadrant section of Kirk's time, until 2365.
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Ro didn't need redemption. There was nothing wrong with joining the Maquis that needed redeeming except of course the crime of wanting to leave paradise.
Rios got his happy ending in Season 2, Elnor it turns out didn't get blown up in season 3 after all, and Jurati does get an indirect call out by Captain Shaw.
My guess for Jurati is she is a member of the Borg COOPERATIVE, not the Collective, important distinction.
It can't happen with the DS9 cast, two of them are dead as is the lady that played Kai Wynn.
For me, this season corrected the wrongs of prior TNG movies. It was great to see the Enterprise D again after she was unceremoniously destroyed in Generations in the dumbest way imaginable. This season also gave the crew the proper send off that Nemesis failed to do.
I also thought the VFX was really well done, definitely the best special effects in the Kurtzman era. Each scene had a purpose, it was easy to see what was happening (no fast-moving cam, spinning ships, excessive flashing lights, etc.) and some of the scenes were really cool, like the Titan throwing an asteroid at the Shrike. I also appreciated the detail, like the shield effects around the Enterprise as it flew away from the Borg cube. VFX has been a point of frustration for me during Discovery and Picard and I’m really glad they got it right this season.
My favorite episode this season was "No Win Scenario", which had a great classic Trek storyline with some outstanding character moments between Picard and Jack. But my favorite scene was the last minutes of Vox, definately the best scene of the entire series and it's not even close.
I also thought the VFX was really well done, definitely the best special effects in the Kurtzman era. Each scene had a purpose, it was easy to see what was happening (no fast-moving cam, spinning ships, excessive flashing lights, etc.) and some of the scenes were really cool, like the Titan throwing an asteroid at the Shrike. I also appreciated the detail, like the shield effects around the Enterprise as it flew away from the Borg cube. VFX has been a point of frustration for me during Discovery and Picard and I’m really glad they got it right this season.
My favorite episode this season was "No Win Scenario", which had a great classic Trek storyline with some outstanding character moments between Picard and Jack. But my favorite scene was the last minutes of Vox, definately the best scene of the entire series and it's not even close.