Best of Both Worlds
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Just watched both.... again.
Question: Why did they not beam bombs aboard the Borg ship?
The Borg adjusted to the phasers and photons quickly, but, the crew was able to beam aboard almost at will for the first few encounters.
DataLives.
If the borg could adapt to their phasers and torpedoes, I doubt they had any other weaponry capable of damaging the Borg on the ship to use.
Exactly, with VOY they were fighting a small probe ship so it's easy to believe they could take down the shields and beam a torpedo onboard to blow it up. Against a huge Cube like that, which had already adapted to their torpedoes and phasers, no bomb they planted in there when they beamed aboard would have damaged anything.
That's what I meant, since it was a probe its' shields were weaker and easy to take down before they could regenerate. Also it hadn't been shot with a torpedo yet so it hadn't had time to adapt.
The huge Cube from BOBW, on the other hand had much more powerful shields and had already adapted to the phasers and torpedoes.
The huge Cube from BOBW, on the other hand had much more powerful shields and had already adapted to the phasers and torpedoes.
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I meant prior to Picard being taken. They beamed aboard before he was nabbed and looked around and try to figure out a way to stop them.... They even matched the warp velocity to do it, right?
So, why not beam massive bombs onboard instead of using phasers to wreck a couple of relays?
I know the writers cannot thing of everything, I was just struck by how simple that tactic would have been, since they were able to beam over easily, early on, and the Borg mostly ignored them when they were there.
DataLives.
I meant prior to Picard being taken. They beamed aboard before he was nabbed and looked around and try to figure out a way to stop them.... They even matched the warp velocity to do it, right?
So, why not beam massive bombs onboard instead of using phasers to wreck a couple of relays?
I know the writers cannot thing of everything, I was just struck by how simple that tactic would have been, since they were able to beam over easily, early on, and the Borg mostly ignored them when they were there.
DataLives.
Interesting idea, but they would have had to make damn sure that they achieved a 100% kill of the Cube or they would have been SOL. Prior to Picard being taken, the Borg didn't see individual officers as a threat. The crew seemed to be able to beem aboard almost at will. The Borg didn't bother to deffend against transporters until after Picard's knowledge was added to their own. If they had used transporter for and attack prior to Picard being taken, and enough of the Cube survived to regenerate, the Borg would have made certain to that transporters would never again be a factor.
How many bombs would it have taken? The Borg ship is no miniture thing, you would have to send more bombs than the Enterprise had(if any, though you could replicate) and it would have to be in the right places like the central control. Which brings up the problem does anyone in the Federation have a plan of the Borg ship?
On the up side, seeing as it is such a basic and fairly primative idea it may have just worked (just once).
On the up side, seeing as it is such a basic and fairly primative idea it may have just worked (just once).
They only went aboard the Borg ship after he was taken hostage. Before then they were too busy running from the Cube. And in that opening pursuit the Borg adapted to their weapons except that special phaser weapon they were making.
How many bombs does it take to destroy a Borg cube? ~rimshot~ 
Well, they can't use the transporter for antimatter (said so in an earlier episode) so that excludes any real ordinance stuff. And since the Borg had already adapted to the torpedoes they had, nothing they put on there would damage it.
There's a world of difference from a small probe ship and a huge Cube.
There's a world of difference from a small probe ship and a huge Cube.
They had lots of things they could do. When they were able to beam in, leave a dozen phasers behind on overload. When they weren't, after the shuttle penetrated the shield anyway (DURING AN ATTACK) blow up the shuttle. Oh, yes, if the SHUTTLE can penetrate the shield why not a torpedo or other weapon?
The original E-D's encounter disabled it by "24%" through three phaser bursts - unshielded. The Borg of course regenerated but its clearly possible to seriously damage the cube with existing weapons from inside the ship or inside the shield.
The original E-D's encounter disabled it by "24%" through three phaser bursts - unshielded. The Borg of course regenerated but its clearly possible to seriously damage the cube with existing weapons from inside the ship or inside the shield.
The Borg had adapted to their hand phasers when they first went in to get Picard back at the end of part one, the shuttle got through the shield only because of the antimatter spread distracting the Borg long enough, the shuttle got through because it wasn't a weapon it was a physical object. They had nothing they could get onto the Borg ship to damage it badly enough.
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