Beltran to play Chak in the next Renegades
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It seems that Beltran did it by friendship for Russ, what was a nice gesture but, his role in this 1st part was very minimal and bland. Same for Russ.
I wonder what it will be in the 2nd part...
So, if I observed well, Cordero/Chakotay though still being an outlaw, became a - well armed - bar owner on a station of the kind of DS9. Right?!
To all those who watched Requiem - 1st part, what is your opinion?
For my part (as a viewer & as a donor), this was better than the pilot - what wasn't very diffcult to do, let's be honest (and those who are questioning why I have finacially participated in the project since I thought this pilot was bad, let's say I wanted to give a chance and the fact to see Jadzia Dax - became Jada -, was nice) - but this 1st part remained weak (acting and what to say about uniforms), despite some impressive special effects, I must admit.
Seriously, I wonder how Russ & Cie ever thought that "Star Trek: Renegade"s became later, "the Renegades", could be retained by CBS to become one of its series ?!
What these fan film people should be doing is animated CGI fan films instead of live action ones (like this one.) And now, instead of doing said CGI films with DAZ Studio, Poser, or Carrera, they can now use Pixar's RenderMan program (free to try, can buy it later.)
Definitely an improvement over the pilot, which tried to be an epic but bit off a lot more than it could chew. A lot of my enjoyment was exploring the Renegades universe, spotting all the Trek analogues I listed above. I definitely enjoy it more as a Trek-esque universe to being "True" Star Trek.
They always said, if CBS bought Renegades, they'd retool and reshoot the pilot and the version of that we'd see would have infinitely higher production values.Seriously, I wonder how Russ & Cie ever thought that "Star Trek: Renegade"s became later, "the Renegades", could be retained by CBS to become one of its series ?!
However, me and many others firmly believe the "pitch to CBS" thing was BS to draw in more donations, and the "pilot" angle was a tax break. I don't think CBS ever saw it, they had Star Trek: Discovery in pre-production at the time. And of course, the Axanar debacle (where $1.4 million was raised by fans and spent on a failed film studio and the personal expenses of the guy behind it, instead of making the promised feature film) put an end to big-budget, star-laden Trek fan films and necessitated Renegades' de-Trekking.
I wrote it, it was better than the pilot.
Not necessary convinced by that but never mind, we'll never know!
I'm not so sure that CBS never saw the pilot. I think that some (people) out of curiosity, had to watch the pilot but weren't convinced by the finished product. Don't forget that, even if Discovery was in pre-production at the time, Renegades
could have given some ideas for a new project (if Discovery is a success, I bet that CBS and Netflix will be tempted to propose another ST series, which could take place after Voyager & Nemesis, just to "seat on the wave and..surf", -> a lot of fans, disappointed by the timeline used in Discovery, would love that, what includes me)
Axanar was brillant and I'm not sur that Renegades, even with more money could have reached this quality (storyline, acting, special effects). But it's a personal opinion.
Prelude to Axanar was good. Axanar itself was never made. Here's a script review, in case you're wondering what you're missing. Supposedly they're making two more Prelude-style documentary shorts, but only if they can fund them - which is doubtful, to say the least.
So he's doing it because he's friends with Russ? Or something?
...and Tim Russ was director of both Of Gods and Men and Renegades
I read that the Voyager "boys band" (Russ, Beltran, Picardo, McNeil, Wang, Intiraymi & Philips) use regularly share diner together since the end of the show, in 2001. I guess that the fact that those (Russ and lately Manu Intiraymi ), who product ou direct a new sci-fi project in connection with the universe of Star Trek or not necessarely, invite others to take part of it, is a new extension of their friendly entente. That's nice to hear but it is unfortunate that the said TV projects are so bad (even if we can see some improvements) & risk to destroy slowly but surely the remaining positive memories of male actors, as Shaka Zulu wrote... . And to think that McNeil failed part of the merry band because of a busy schedule to turn down Russ invitation ... OUFF!
Anyway, I must be a little masochist to keep watching! ;-)
Here we go, Renegades: The Requiem is now available for free on Atomic Network (you just need to register an email addy)
I wonder who Cordero/Chakotay's line...
was in reference to?
I wonder who Cordero/Chakotay's line...
"I'm still married!"
Just watched it. I thought that scene was a really nice touch.
I think the movie would have been even better with the star trek references left officially in though. Either way it was a fun alternate future film before the new Picard series.
Agreed. His complaints were character direction and one dimensional nature, it doesn't mean he hated Star Trek completely? Or maybe projected his dislike of how Chakotay was written onto the whole of Trek at one point in a fit of pique but changed his mind since. Or now he gets a chance, as you pointed out, to do it in a proper way. That would make sense.
No wait, I rewatched the scene and he says "Kathryn"!Please, don't tell me it was Seven or whatever her name became!
(When I wrote my comment, I informed that I haven't watched the 2nd part, Hence my question!.
As for Kathryn, (if it is really her, of course!), unless she decided an early retirement and a diametrically change of life, I don't see how she and Cordero/Chakotay, could be together...
Indeed, 1) our Kathryn is supposed to live and work on Earth while Cordero/Chakotay seems to run a bar on another planet (even if it still is in the Confederation) ; 2) If she still is an Admiral, I don't see Starfleet permitting such an romantic combination happening. I mean that it would be prejudicial to its image or reputation (I mean a brilliant & renamed Admiral who would married to an ex-Maquis leader, since converted in a bar as owner, frequented by shady people amongst others, and who, in his spare time, would continue to take part in questionable operations). No, Starfleet would prefer to ask her to leave her position. Plus, a long distance relationship would be for Kathryn Janeway & Chakotay/Cordero (at least, the characters we used to know for 7 years), a wrong and unacceptable situation, especially now that they would be older.
So, I'd say that this idea is as stupid as Chakotay/Seven!
Earth wasn't too far from the asteroid base, Chekov got there in the space of a scene break. I don't see why they couldn't be married and Chak own a bar a short commute away. My impression was that the bartender did all the day-to-day running of the place anyway.
Sorry but Renegades's Cordero & Voyager's Kathryn Janeway's wedding has very little credibility with me.
The distance lovestory is finally just a detail (as I wrote in my last post, the Janeway & Chakotay seen in Voyager are too passionnate, invested (&tactile) to accept leaving far from their other half. As for the bartender stuff, it is still less credible. I mean, how a man, who have served Starfleet as a senior officer then became a Maquis leader in the war against Cardassians then again as a senior officer under a temporary status, during Voyager's journey, could end as a bar's owner/bartender on a Deep Space bar...Talk about a tumble lifestyle change
. .., even if it confirmed what I already thought about Chakotay/Cordero having no future in/with Starfleet (no matter that it was his choice and/or Starfleet's one), even if he seems to help indirectly Starfleet in participating to some under the cover operations.
Chakotay has the emotional range of a deadpan.
It looks like, post-Renegades, they're doing a non-Trek thing using the aliens and set of the Renegades: Requiem bar called Cosmos.