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Being fat 'is as bad as smoking'

How many cigarettes/day does a chain smoker smoke?
The definition of chain-smoking is lighting your next cigarette immediately after, or even off of, the previous one. Basically someone who constantly has a cigarette in hand. 10 cigarettes a day would put them at one every hour and a half or so, I'd say a proper "chain smoker" (using the looser term for just someone who is pretty much always either smoking, just finished smoking or is about to go smoke) would go through 30-40 at least.
 
How bad, I don't know. But it's definitely worse than inhaling no smoke at all.

A 39 year study using 36,000 people found that there is little or no effects from second hand smoke.

I've always though it's difficult to lock down numbers but that sides sounds a bit exaggerated as well. I'd like to scrutinize that. Do you have anything clickable for this study?
 
How bad, I don't know. But it's definitely worse than inhaling no smoke at all.

A 39 year study using 36,000 people found that there is little or no effects from second hand smoke.

I've always though it's difficult to lock down numbers but that sides sounds a bit exaggerated as well. I'd like to scrutinize that. Do you have anything clickable for this study?

Here is a tinyurl - http://tinyurl.com/274v4o

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Conclusions The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed."

Full Url in case of problem: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full...=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=1,2,3,4,10
 
I think it's a huge double standard that people demonize smoking and feel free to tell smokers about how bad their habits are, yet are pretty tight-lipped around obese people

I can't recall the last time I heard a joke about a cigarette smoker.
 
I think it's a huge double standard that people demonize smoking and feel free to tell smokers about how bad their habits are, yet are pretty tight-lipped around obese people

I can't recall the last time I heard a joke about a cigarette smoker.

Why do more smokers die in the winter than any other season?

Google failed me. :(

They don't know when to stop exhaling...


You said "joke" you didn't stipulate "funny" :rolleyes:
 
I know that breathing in second-hand cigarette smoke can be a trigger for me having an asthmatic attack. Anyone knows of any studies done on the affect of cigarette smoke on asthmatics?
 
A 39 year study using 36,000 people found that there is little or no effects from second hand smoke.

I've always though it's difficult to lock down numbers but that sides sounds a bit exaggerated as well. I'd like to scrutinize that. Do you have anything clickable for this study?

Here is a tinyurl - http://tinyurl.com/274v4o

"
Conclusions The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed."

Full Url in case of problem: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full...=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=1,2,3,4,10


Throw in
http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20030515/secondhand-smoke-study-raises-ire
for good measure as well.
The tobacco industry funded the study as part of an ongoing campaign to publish studies that question the dangers of secondhand smoke. "It views secondhand smoke as one of the most dangerous components against it, since it's what causes cities and states to restrict public smoking," says Thun. "And it actively seeks out this kind of research to confuse the public."
And then this 2006 report:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062700710.html
Secondhand smoke dramatically increases the risk of heart disease and lung cancer in nonsmokers and can be controlled only by making indoor spaces smoke-free, according to a comprehensive report issued yesterday by U.S. Surgeon General Richard H. Carmona.
 
I was reading something in Time Magazine last night where they said that after age 40, having a little extra weight makes one look younger than if one is thin. Also - not having been out in the sun too much (avoiding the leathery skin,) and not having smoked makes one look younger.

What's the point in living forever if you're not gonna have any fun?

I'd rather live 50-60 awesome crazy years than 100 really boring ones.

You neglect the other possibility, living another 10-30 years after that in poor health and suffering due do earlier mistreatment of your body...something a LOT of people are living with unfortunately.

RAMA
 
It's well documented that smoking has a significant effect on the incidence of cot death (SID). Anyone who says it doesn't affect other people clearly is ignoring this. Maybe babies don't count.
 
Are you seriously trying to tell me that the chainsmoker standing next to me at the bus stop is causing less damage to me then the 300 pound guy eating a cheeseburger on the other side of me?

Consider this: Let's say a chain smoker, someone who smokes 10 cigarettes a day, has a fairly good chance of getting lung cancer after a lifetime of smoking. first, there is a filter in the actual cigarette. What gets past the filter, some tar and nicotine, can accumulate in the lungs. The largest bits become lodged in the alveoli and cannot be breathed out, acting as carcinogens. the nicotine also represses the action of the cilia in your windpipe from removing phlem/smoke gunk. and this is for a smoker, who takes a concentrated, direct drag from the cigarette.

When he breathes the smoke back out, the biggest pieces of crap are still in his lungs. Not only that, but it is already vastly dispersed in the air, reducing the concentration at least 3 fold. Also, you're not inhaling enough nicotine to disturb the cilia's removal action. So an occasional whiff of a portion of this dispersed cloud of 2nd-hand smoke (lets say 2 whiffs every 3 days), even over a lifetime, obviously results in debatable health effects that become very difficult to relate to any hardcore evidence, esp considering everyone's exposure to 2nd-hand smoke vastly differs
Consider this: my brother is an asthmatic. Quite severe such at times. He can very easily go into an asthmatic attack if someone near to him is smoking or have recently smoked a lot. And if you don't know it, that is very hazardous to his health. So excuse if I'm not sympathetic to smokers.
 
I've always though it's difficult to lock down numbers but that sides sounds a bit exaggerated as well. I'd like to scrutinize that. Do you have anything clickable for this study?

Here is a tinyurl - http://tinyurl.com/274v4o

"
Conclusions The results do not support a causal relation between environmental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. The association between exposure to environmental tobacco smoke and coronary heart disease and lung cancer may be considerably weaker than generally believed."

Full Url in case of problem: http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full...=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=1,2,3,4,10


Throw in
http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20030515/secondhand-smoke-study-raises-ire
for good measure as well.
The tobacco industry funded the study as part of an ongoing campaign to publish studies that question the dangers of secondhand smoke. "It views secondhand smoke as one of the most dangerous components against it, since it's what causes cities and states to restrict public smoking," says Thun. "And it actively seeks out this kind of research to confuse the public."
And then this 2006 report:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062700710.html
Secondhand smoke dramatically increases the risk of heart disease and lung cancer in nonsmokers and can be controlled only by making indoor spaces smoke-free, according to a comprehensive report issued yesterday by U.S. Surgeon General Richard H. Carmona.

Yes, the smoke Nazis didn't like it. It interferes with their ability to tell you and I what we can and cannot do.
 
Even more interesting than the article is the huge list of responses that it inspired.

I found this one especially amusing:

If you go to the Philip Morris document web site (www.pmdocs.com), you will find, under Bates No. 2065122062, the letter [1] that BMJ failed to write to James Enstrom and his co-author. It says: "The editors believe that this opinion piece is full of speculative assumptions of doubtful scientific value. We could not judge the merit of your criticisms because your own data and methods were so inadequately described." The letter was written in 1996 by the Deputy Editor of the Journal of the American Medical Association in response to an earlier submission by Enstrom of his tobacco-industry sponsored study.

:rommie:
 
T'Bonz mentioned earlier that Time ran an article saying fat over 40 makes you look younger! YAHOO! I'm 42 but look 20! I'm going to get me a big ol' bucket of fried chicken and mashed potatoes with gravy tonight so I can look even younger!
 
I know that breathing in second-hand cigarette smoke can be a trigger for me having an asthmatic attack. Anyone knows of any studies done on the affect of cigarette smoke on asthmatics?

Yeah I have to call bullshit on smokers telling me that they aren't choking me with rancid smelling, toxic chemicals when I'm around them. I don't need a scientist standing next to me with a clip-board to tell me I can't breathe.

And being overweight is unhealthy? Stop the presses!
 
Ironically, smoking often curbs one's appetite, allowing them to remain thinner than if they were not smoking.
 
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