Before Dishonor -- comments & opinions ****SPOILERS*****
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Re: Before Dishonor -- comments & opinions ****SPOILERS****
finished it today. damn it's funny. loved Calhoun's bit with Picard when he 'promotes' Picard and when Jellico spit-takes at the Seven hologram.
i've got 5 slips of GPL on Janeway coming back in Destiny.
finished it today. damn it's funny. loved Calhoun's bit with Picard when he 'promotes' Picard and when Jellico spit-takes at the Seven hologram.
i've got 5 slips of GPL on Janeway coming back in Destiny.
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^I've got that bet, but in what form though???
^I've got that bet, but in what form though???
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i take Federation credits, Klingon Darseks, Cardassian Leks, Bajoran Litas and Quatloos as well as GPL. or if you're old fashioned, Sterling and US$
i take Federation credits, Klingon Darseks, Cardassian Leks, Bajoran Litas and Quatloos as well as GPL. or if you're old fashioned, Sterling and US$
Re: Before Dishonor -- comments & opinions ****SPOILERS****
Sorry, i didn't speak correctly there. I was referring to Janeway. Is the bet for her just coming back or do you wanna bet on what form she will have if she comes back.
Sorry, i didn't speak correctly there. I was referring to Janeway. Is the bet for her just coming back or do you wanna bet on what form she will have if she comes back.
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ah.
she'll be back and in normal human form.
ah.
she'll be back and in normal human form.
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hhmmmmmm. I don't know. I can see that happening, but I think that would be stupid. I hate when they kill someone and then bring them back without anything else. It's like, "Oops you died, here you can have your life back."
I'd have to go with you though, that's probably what will happen. Ah well...they at least better make it good when they bring her back.
hhmmmmmm. I don't know. I can see that happening, but I think that would be stupid. I hate when they kill someone and then bring them back without anything else. It's like, "Oops you died, here you can have your life back."
I'd have to go with you though, that's probably what will happen. Ah well...they at least better make it good when they bring her back.
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Personally, I'm glad that Janeway's dead. Not because I wanted Janeway in particular to die, but, rather, because I'm glad that the novels finally have the creative freedom to create a sense of genuine suspense by actually killing people off.
I still can't believe a Borg incursion on this scale was never mentioned in Articles of the Federation, though.
Personally, I'm glad that Janeway's dead. Not because I wanted Janeway in particular to die, but, rather, because I'm glad that the novels finally have the creative freedom to create a sense of genuine suspense by actually killing people off.
I still can't believe a Borg incursion on this scale was never mentioned in Articles of the Federation, though.
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Well, it presumably took place between sections of AotF. I liken it to The West Wing, where they might have a couple of episodes dealing with a major military operation (like sending troops into "Equatorial Kuhndu") and then a few episodes later they aren't even talking about it at all, because they're too busy dealing with the current set of crises to spend time reminiscing about past ones.
Well, it presumably took place between sections of AotF. I liken it to The West Wing, where they might have a couple of episodes dealing with a major military operation (like sending troops into "Equatorial Kuhndu") and then a few episodes later they aren't even talking about it at all, because they're too busy dealing with the current set of crises to spend time reminiscing about past ones.
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Yeah, I understand the intent -- it just doesn't sit well with me. The Borg attack in Before Dishonor is probably the closest Earth has ever come to being assimilated, and it apparently decimated the divisions of Starfleet assigned to protect the core worlds. I'm more inclined to equate the characters in AotF not talking about the Borg attack to the staffers in the White House not talking about 9/11.
Yeah, I understand the intent -- it just doesn't sit well with me. The Borg attack in Before Dishonor is probably the closest Earth has ever come to being assimilated, and it apparently decimated the divisions of Starfleet assigned to protect the core worlds. I'm more inclined to equate the characters in AotF not talking about the Borg attack to the staffers in the White House not talking about 9/11.
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Well, sure, you have a valid point, certainly. But it's just an inevitable result of the universe being invented as we go and BD not being conceived until well after AotF was written. It's the same kind of problem as why Captain Archer and the Suliban, Denobulans, and Xindi never got mentioned in TOS or the 24th-century shows, or why Picard's adventures in The Buried Age never got directly alluded to in TNG.
I suppose it could've been avoided if BD had been set in early 2381, say, but apparently that didn't fit into the plans for the post-TNG series.
Well, sure, you have a valid point, certainly. But it's just an inevitable result of the universe being invented as we go and BD not being conceived until well after AotF was written. It's the same kind of problem as why Captain Archer and the Suliban, Denobulans, and Xindi never got mentioned in TOS or the 24th-century shows, or why Picard's adventures in The Buried Age never got directly alluded to in TNG.
I suppose it could've been avoided if BD had been set in early 2381, say, but apparently that didn't fit into the plans for the post-TNG series.
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The book started off real slow and took some time getting into however once it took off, it was non stop action. The BORG are seen in a new light and I'm curious to see where this goes assuming this isn't the last we have seen of the new and improved BORG.
Also, seeing as how Peter David kept refrencing the excellent Vendetta, I was curious if somehow Delcara would be returning. Would have been interesting to.
The book started off real slow and took some time getting into however once it took off, it was non stop action. The BORG are seen in a new light and I'm curious to see where this goes assuming this isn't the last we have seen of the new and improved BORG.
Also, seeing as how Peter David kept refrencing the excellent Vendetta, I was curious if somehow Delcara would be returning. Would have been interesting to.
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best thing in him referencing Vendetta was the pointed dig at Richard Arnold over female Borg. i think i actually LOL'd at that.
best thing in him referencing Vendetta was the pointed dig at Richard Arnold over female Borg. i think i actually LOL'd at that.
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Is this or any other recent Trek book available on audio CD or have they given up on that? Seems like Shatner's "Captain's Blood" was the last to get the CD treatment.
Is this or any other recent Trek book available on audio CD or have they given up on that? Seems like Shatner's "Captain's Blood" was the last to get the CD treatment.
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"Captain's Glory" came out on CD only (ie. no audiocassette version), but that was the "Totality" trilogy hardcover delayed a few years by the Reeves-Stevenses being busy with ENT, so the deal would have been made much earlier. Shatner was recently complaining that "Academy: Collision Course" wasn't getting an abridgement for S&S Audioworks, like his previous nine novels.
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com.au/2007/05/i-hear-star-trek.html
Simon & Schuster's other last audiocassette was "Vulcan's Soul, Volume 1" and they've seemingly given up(?). Obviously they just aren't selling like they used to.
But a different company, Recorded Books, has been doing all three "Vulcan's Soul" hardcovers - as downloadable unabridged audios - read by Stephen Poe.
I finished "Before Dishonor" at 1.00am this morning. A few weeks ago, I had accidentally been exposed to the death that occurs, although at times I was becoming convinced we'd be seeing even more deaths, or maybe even a permanent merging-of-minds or two.
I really enjoyed the fast pace of this book; it was only my busy end-of-year work commitments that kept me reading it in more isolated, one-hour chunks - otherwise this was easily the kind of ST novel to which I used to lose an entire weekend. (I recall, with great affection, "The Entropy Effect", "Final Frontier", "Metamorphosis", "Vendetta", "Sarek" and "Stone and Anvil"!)
I guess Janeway is the ideal character to toy with in this death-by-novelist; she was always a character who polarized fans, whether it was how she ran her ship in VOY, or her guest appearance as an admiral in "Nemesis", or her ongoing appearances in the non-VOY original ST novels.
And we've seen so many ST characters killed off in the series - and only some of whom stay dead - that no one is particularly surprised or worried about the permanence of this "demise"?
"Captain's Glory" came out on CD only (ie. no audiocassette version), but that was the "Totality" trilogy hardcover delayed a few years by the Reeves-Stevenses being busy with ENT, so the deal would have been made much earlier. Shatner was recently complaining that "Academy: Collision Course" wasn't getting an abridgement for S&S Audioworks, like his previous nine novels.
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com.au/2007/05/i-hear-star-trek.html
Simon & Schuster's other last audiocassette was "Vulcan's Soul, Volume 1" and they've seemingly given up(?). Obviously they just aren't selling like they used to.
But a different company, Recorded Books, has been doing all three "Vulcan's Soul" hardcovers - as downloadable unabridged audios - read by Stephen Poe.
I finished "Before Dishonor" at 1.00am this morning. A few weeks ago, I had accidentally been exposed to the death that occurs, although at times I was becoming convinced we'd be seeing even more deaths, or maybe even a permanent merging-of-minds or two.
I really enjoyed the fast pace of this book; it was only my busy end-of-year work commitments that kept me reading it in more isolated, one-hour chunks - otherwise this was easily the kind of ST novel to which I used to lose an entire weekend. (I recall, with great affection, "The Entropy Effect", "Final Frontier", "Metamorphosis", "Vendetta", "Sarek" and "Stone and Anvil"!)
I guess Janeway is the ideal character to toy with in this death-by-novelist; she was always a character who polarized fans, whether it was how she ran her ship in VOY, or her guest appearance as an admiral in "Nemesis", or her ongoing appearances in the non-VOY original ST novels.
And we've seen so many ST characters killed off in the series - and only some of whom stay dead - that no one is particularly surprised or worried about the permanence of this "demise"?
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Re: Before Dishonor -- comments & opinions ****SPOILERS****
You sure you don't mean *Richard* Poe (i.e. Gul Evek)?
You sure you don't mean *Richard* Poe (i.e. Gul Evek)?
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