Spoilers Been working on an Arrowverse "viewing order"...
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I know that none of the other characters are the same, which is why i said pull a "Superman Returns" and truncate the latter half the series, getting rid of any of the "this person doesn't look like this person" problems..... just lilke the X movies have truncated X3 and Wolverine Origins from the canon.
I'd be happy with no references to SV, as long as Welling played the role; He's the perfect age currently, and has 10 years of experience with the character. The small beats don't have to match up, as long as they aren't referenced. I think Smallville Season 1-5 (if it had ended at that point) tell a fantastic origin story that includes very little conflict. I don't understand the hate; i never watched the show when it was first on, rather; i bingewatched a few months ago S1-5 during christmas hiatus. I despise the later seasons, and have never completed watching them; too many characters and too much canon was destroyed, but the formative years were done fantastically. obviously both smallville and supergirl aren't in the "arrowverse" but in another portion of the multiverse. I'm not saying events need to line up perfectly, but the times and ages line up for Welling to be perfectly primed to play SG's man of steel.
Every other time the "past superman actors" have been used as easter eggs, it has been so long since their original show or movie, that they could not reprise their role. It hasn't been nearly long enough since Smallville to do this, and since it was a prequel series to begin with, the ages are just now becoming perfectly in line with each other.
I'd be happy with no references to SV, as long as Welling played the role; He's the perfect age currently, and has 10 years of experience with the character. The small beats don't have to match up, as long as they aren't referenced. I think Smallville Season 1-5 (if it had ended at that point) tell a fantastic origin story that includes very little conflict. I don't understand the hate; i never watched the show when it was first on, rather; i bingewatched a few months ago S1-5 during christmas hiatus. I despise the later seasons, and have never completed watching them; too many characters and too much canon was destroyed, but the formative years were done fantastically. obviously both smallville and supergirl aren't in the "arrowverse" but in another portion of the multiverse. I'm not saying events need to line up perfectly, but the times and ages line up for Welling to be perfectly primed to play SG's man of steel.
Every other time the "past superman actors" have been used as easter eggs, it has been so long since their original show or movie, that they could not reprise their role. It hasn't been nearly long enough since Smallville to do this, and since it was a prequel series to begin with, the ages are just now becoming perfectly in line with each other.
There's no agreement even among the production staff on what Superman Returns is. A lot of fans want to believe that Singer made a proper sequel to Superman 1 and 2 while ignoring 3 and 4 but it's not that simple. Even Singer himself isn't consistent in what he says. It created quite a mess. The Arrowverse doesn't need that.
And were two X-Men movies ignored? Or were a lot of events from the entire series simply wiped away with Wolverine's time travel in the most recent movie? I thought it was the latter.
And were two X-Men movies ignored? Or were a lot of events from the entire series simply wiped away with Wolverine's time travel in the most recent movie? I thought it was the latter.
Which still doesn't deal with the "kryptonite always turns humans into superpowered mutants" problem. Or the "Kryptonians were ancient astronauts who influenced the Native Americans' culture centuries ago because heaven forbid they should be able to invent their own culture without a bunch of white-looking aliens giving it to them" problem.
Although seasons 6 & 7 were pretty terrible, it improved a lot in season 8 when the original showrunners finally left. But it fell apart again in season 10.
Strictly speaking, Days of Future Past created a new timeline that overwrites every prior movie except First Class. With Mystique's redemption in DoFP, and with mutants becoming publicly known to the world decades sooner, the first two movies are unlikely to happen exactly as we saw them. And Singer has hinted that he might do a different version of the Phoenix Saga, try to get it right this time.
Still, I would expect that most of the good stuff from the past movies can still be assumed to have happened more or less the same way in the new timeline.
Except this time they wore yellow spandex, going by Negasonic Teenage Warehead's appearance in Deadpool.
It's not hate, it's just that the shows are to a very, very large degree incompatible and it makes absolutely zero sense for Welling to reprise his role as Superman, or to attempt to connect the shows in any other way.
Again, what about people who like those latter years?
So what, let's erase that part of the continuity and use this new show to validate only the bits you like?
Dude, headcanon is fine, trying to force your own on everybody is annoying.
I wish they would allow Constantine to become a full time member in the Arrowverse. Idk why, but TPTB for Arrow say the rights with the character at NBC said the crossover was a one time deal. Arrow, Flash and or Legends of Tomorrow could get a whole new angle if they had Constantine and the supernatural as apart of their universe. On TV our JL Dark could live!
On top of the time travel, X3 and Origins were wiped out, in order to give different versions of, among others, Angel, Deadpool, and the team they are using in Apocolypse. Also, Trask in DofP, and not having to explain how the Professor returns without resorting to deleted and post credit assumptions. X1 and X2 were possibly altered by the time travel, but still fit the series.
Delving into the off-topic X-Men thing, the idea that has been consistently put forward by all those involved with regards to the ways in which Days of Future Past affected what had come before is far more akin to what Star Trek '09 did than some people realize or want to accept, in that DoFP effectively 'split' the timeline of the X-verse, but did nothing whatsoever when it comes to the actual relevance or Canonicity of the pre-DoFP films themselves, or the viewing order thereof.
With regards to the topic at hand, I actually did something similar when it comes to JUST Arrow and The Flash, but haven't updated it yet for the newest episodes of either series. I also didn't include Vixen, Legends of Tomorrow, or Constantine.
Supergirl and the '90s Flash do exist as part of what I'm calling the "Arrow-Derived Multiversal Reality Construct", but I don't personally see the reasoning behind including them in an "Arrowverse" viewing guide because they're not technically PART of that universe; they're simply connected to it via the concept of the Multiverse.
BTW, I'd be interested in hearing the OP's though processes in approaching the topic, especially with regards to Constantine and how it fits into the larger context of Arrow and The Flash when it comes to sequences of events.
With regards to the topic at hand, I actually did something similar when it comes to JUST Arrow and The Flash, but haven't updated it yet for the newest episodes of either series. I also didn't include Vixen, Legends of Tomorrow, or Constantine.
Supergirl and the '90s Flash do exist as part of what I'm calling the "Arrow-Derived Multiversal Reality Construct", but I don't personally see the reasoning behind including them in an "Arrowverse" viewing guide because they're not technically PART of that universe; they're simply connected to it via the concept of the Multiverse.
BTW, I'd be interested in hearing the OP's though processes in approaching the topic, especially with regards to Constantine and how it fits into the larger context of Arrow and The Flash when it comes to sequences of events.
Well, it's not quite the same, because it is more of a "changed timeline" story than a "parallel timeline" story. However, the original series of films is still relevant because Wolverine remembers them. As far as his personal worldline is concerned, they still happened and were necessary parts of what led to the events of DoFP. So they still matter as part of the narrative.
Because "universes" are simply a story conceit here. This isn't a physics paper, it's an approach to the viewing order for television series that are narratively connected to one another. Supergirl is narratively connected to The Flash because the Flash will be appearing in an upcoming Supergirl episode. That makes that episode part of the Flash's continuity as a character, just as much as his appearances on Arrow are.
So the '90s Flash is connected to the modern Flash? I thought that was just a joke earlier in the thread. 
So I might need to include it after all?
As far as sequence of events are concerned, since Constantine is wholly separate I really just mixed it in semi-randomly, since most of that show's episodes were standalone. No actual sequence of events, I just prefer watching them all together instead of marathoning one show and then another and then another separately.
So I might need to include it after all?
I'd be down for that. From what I've read, Constantine's appearance on Arrow was received very well and provided a small boost to that episode's ratings. NBC owns the rights to Constantine, the actual TV show, but unless there's some kind of exclusivity thing I can't imagine why Warner Bros. couldn't set up a new show on the CW with Matt Ryan back in the role. Maybe they could actually call it Hellblazer this time.
Yeah, and it's probably years away, if it ever actually gets made.
As @Christopher indicated, I'm including any show that's narratively connected to the wider Arrowverse. I wasn't going to include Supergirl until I learned about Gustin's forthcoming crossover appearance (and apparently we briefly see Melissa Benoist as Supergirl in the multiverse on The Flash, too). While Constantine was produced by a different group of people than Team Berlanti, the inclusion of Matt Ryan as John Constantine in Arrow makes him a part of that universe. While NBC's show might technically not be part of the universe, I included the show to provide context for the character. It's the same actor and (presumably) the same portrayal, and as far as I can tell nothing in his appearance on Arrow contradicts anything that happened in Constantine, so it doesn't hurt to include it. Besides, it's only thirteen episodes.
As far as sequence of events are concerned, since Constantine is wholly separate I really just mixed it in semi-randomly, since most of that show's episodes were standalone. No actual sequence of events, I just prefer watching them all together instead of marathoning one show and then another and then another separately.
I see this the opposite way that you do. He already played one version of the character regularly for 10 years, this is a new version, let somebody else have a chance.
So the '90s Flash is connected to the modern Flash? I thought that was just a joke earlier in the thread.
Maybe. There was a split-second glimpse of John Wesley Shipp's Flash in the "multiverse crossing" montage in last week's Flash episode, which also included a glimpse of Supergirl as a teaser for the upcoming Flash appearance on her show, as well as several other images that might be presaging upcoming events in Legends of Tomorrow or some other show (Jonah Hex, a black Green Arrow, a Legion of Super Heroes flight ring). Many have taken that as a sign that the producers intend to include the '90 show in their multiverse. But as far as we know, it could've just been an Easter egg that they slipped in for fun. If they do plan to make a more explicit connection, it hasn't happened yet.
There are several bits in Constantine's Arrow episode that implicitly reference things specific to the NBC show. He uses the same business cards in both, he mentions his practice of storing magic artifacts in "a safe place" (the mill), and he references having done the soul restoration ritual before (which he did in "Quid Pro Quo"). So it's pretty strongly implied that the Constantine series, not just the character, is meant to be part of the Arrowverse. (Which is interesting, because one of the artifacts Constantine stored in the mill was Dr. Fate's helmet.)
I should have mentioned the 90s Flash series. Three actors from the old show have reprised their roles on the new show. Or rather, they play characters with the same names. It looked like stunt casting but who knows where they might go with that given the recent revelation that the old show might be an alternate timeline within the Arrowverse. The brief glimpse of Shipp's Flash may indeed be just an Easter egg as Christopher mentioned but you never know.So the '90s Flash is connected to the modern Flash? I thought that was just a joke earlier in the thread.
Yup, I was going to make the same comment - we have already seen both Tina Magee and Mark Hamill's Trickster on the Flash; Again, going with Earth 2 having similar genetics, it seems like the 90's Flash verse falls into the same category. Different events, same genetics. (Which, not to restart the debate, is the basis for me wanting Welling as Superman, regardless of the specific character background from SV).
I have heard some speculation that Zoom could be the Barry clone, Pollux, played by Shipp, from the 90's show, who vibrated into nothing (or into a different universe) at the end of his 90s episode.
I have heard some speculation that Zoom could be the Barry clone, Pollux, played by Shipp, from the 90's show, who vibrated into nothing (or into a different universe) at the end of his 90s episode.
The references to the '90s show are homages, nothing more.
They're not going to make the main villain a character from a 26 year old show that most of the audience of this show never watched, even if they're both blue.
NBC's Constantine IS officially part of both Earth-1 and the Arrowverse proper; this was expressly confirmed by the Arrow producers.
Vito D'Ambrosio's Anthony Bellows is also a character on both shows. He's the mayor of Central City in the new show, and he was a cop in the '90s show.
It could work as an homage and as a new plot point.... the shocking reveal of an evil Barry (or Henry) from another dimension, played by Shipp, dimension hopping on a quest for more speed, doesn't need any of the 90's Flash show explained to be an accurate plot point for current viewers, and could still work as a connection through the multiverse.
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