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Spoilers Batwoman - Season 1

Mr. Adventure said:
I don't think it would be very satisfying to have Kate get fridged off screen. I think they implied that Batman finished off the Joker in Batwoman so that would be messy too. It would be kind of interesting if Harley came to finish the deed on Kate for revenge though that sounds like a potential later season had Kate stuck around.

EDIT: It occurs to me that it wouldn't have to be off-screen necessarily if we see it happen to the character in costume. It would admittedly allow for a transition of the character though I'm still not sure about that approach.
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I think that would be interesting for season 2 with introducing Harley Quinn. They probably can't due to the DC films version.

If it could be worked out then Harley kills Kate before season 2 starts and Gotham is worse after Batwoman gets killed.
 
Samurai8472 said:
For an inshow explanation. What if the reason for a new Batwoman is because Kate Kane dealt with the Joker? and lost to him?

He's the ultimate villain of Batman and Kate Kane dies in the line of duty.
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The show established that the Joker was killed by Batman. A few days ago, I theorized that the showrunners might do something cheap like have Alice lure Batwoman away for some critical mission, only to be killed by Alice off screen, or employing the infamous "Fake Shemp" technique in the scene.. At this point, the showrunners appear to be lowballing enough to do that.
 
Well if they don't have Ruby Rose to come back to film the transition, they're pretty much limited to "stick her stunt double in the suit and off her in the first 5 mins."
 
dodge said:
Hm, since season 1 was abruptly ended, and they shot only 20/22 episodes, is Ruby technically still contracted for two more?
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Possibly? Probably not?
I mean it's not impossible, but I don't think so since one would presume they'd have clarified that point in the initial announcement. As it stands it sounds like she's already packed up and gone and is never coming back.

So yeah, I think if Kate appears again at all, it'll be brief and probably fatal. A perverse part of me kinda wants them to start the first episode cold with all the CW heroes mid-epic-crossover-finale battle (for a crossover we will never see) and recreate this scene from the old Justice League cartoon, but with the Supes and Bats roles reversed (and gender flipped, obviously.) Then smash-cut to "6 months later" and away we go with the soft reboot!
 
Guy Gardener said:
Big Charmed fan, eh?
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I'm not sure if I'd say I was a big fan, but I did watch it for a few seasons back when it first aired.
The Realist said:
When Ken Wahl left the brilliant and innovative cop series Wiseguy, they replaced him as the lead with an entirely new character played by a different actor. I was a fan of the show, and thought that the change worked really well. It gave the show a fresh new flavor, but still felt distinctly Wiseguy. The new guy, played by Steven Bauer, was integrated effectively into relationships with the show's existing characters, as well as bringing with him new characters and relationships of his own.

Mind you, the change did not save a show that was already on very thin ratings ice, and it was canceled shortly after. But the ratings demands of CBS were and are very different from The CW, and I personally doubt that recasting Wahl's original character would have made any difference to the show's longevity. I bring it up here only as an example of a similar situation that was, IMHO, entirely successful from a creative standpoint.
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There was also Charmed, which started with Shannen Doherty, Alyssa Milano, and Holly Mary Combs as three witch sisters. At the end of Season 3, Doherty left the show, so they introduced Rose McGowan as a half-sister, that Aylssa Millano, and Holly Marie Combs characters' never knew about. The show continued on for another 5 seasons with those three, and personally, I liked it better with McGowan than I did with Doherty.
Monk also changed it's second lead in it's 3rd season, and I much, much prefer the second character over the first. I like the second so much better, that at I actually have trouble watching ones with the first.
 
JD said:
There was also Charmed, which started with Shannen Doherty, Alyssa Milano, and Holly Mary Combs as three witch sisters. At the end of Season 3, Doherty left the show, so they introduced Rose McGowan as a half-sister, that Aylssa Millano, and Holly Marie Combs characters' never knew about. The show continued on for another 5 seasons with those three, and personally, I liked it better with McGowan than I did with Doherty.
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The current CW reboot of Charmed has actually nodded to that. It's a different universe with different characters, but it was established in season 2 that there have been many previous trios of Charmed Ones in different generations and even in parallel realities, and every one of them is cursed to lose one of the sisters sooner or later, a curse that the current trio hopes they can break. The Halliwells were not overtly mentioned, but the implication was there.
 
That's pretty cool, and if they ever decide to go that could potentially open up a possibility for a crossover.
So how is the new Charmed? I've been thinking about checking it out, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
 
JD said:
So how is the new Charmed? I've been thinking about checking it out, but haven't gotten around to it yet.
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The first season was pretty good, but the second season got new showrunners and did a massive overhaul that tossed out much of what worked in the first, along with nearly all its supporting cast, and turned it into an almost totally different show, one that was more plot-driven and less focused on developing the characters and their relationships. It was the most drastic season 2 retool I've seen since War of the Worlds: The Series, and before that Buck Rogers in the 25th Century. It seemed to try to course-correct somewhat toward the end of the season, though.
 
I would argue that Paige is the perfect example of why you can just sub-in a new character in a show where the characters act as the conceptual foundation. From an outside perspective, it didn't work at all. Sure RMG was better in the long run, but the character's entire existence was a conceptual plot hole. Now no one cared at the time because the show was so low-stakes to begin with and it came along at a time when people were really looking for anything to cheer about.

But I doubt it would fly in the same way today.
 
Reverend said:
Well if they don't have Ruby Rose to come back to film the transition, they're pretty much limited to "stick her stunt double in the suit and off her in the first 5 mins."
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Nope.


All they they need is a bit of dialogue explaining why she's gone.

If they want to try finishing off the story they cliffhangered on rather than just dumping it, have the season opener deal with the aftermath of it explaining what happened and where Kate went.
 
They told us that she's leaving 5 minutes ago.

But if Ruby figured out that she was leaving 5 months ago, they could have already filmed the transition shots for season two way back, using a excess resources on one of the cheaper episodes.

If Harley Quinn kills Kate... She's going to run around for half a season in the Batwoman Body Armour.

Ask Kaley Cuoco if she wants to some live action?
 
One of my theories is they want to sever most of the Batman connections except the suit. Don't want people to always be wondering when will Batman show up it is with Superman on Supergirl. I expect them to ditch the Batcave as well. I generally think they simply didn't like the season and they simply want to reinvent the show and it's very possible she was fired more than them just goin separate ways. I think other characters will also leave and we will get a almost new show. Something like what happened with Fear of the Walking Dead. Maybe it's HBOMAX also pushing the idea. Might also be something to increase ratings which might be more important now because of the HBOMAX thing and they can't just get buy of their demographic ratings in repeat viewings.


Jason
 
There's a report that Riverdale's Vanessa Morgan is being considered as the new lead. I could get behind that. It doesn't sound like she's been very happy on Riverdale lately anyway.
 
I've only seen season 1 of Riverdale, and she either wasn't in it back then or I can't recall her.

Not recasting Kate opens up a lot more options though, so that's one good thing to come out of this I guess.
 
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