So the Starmaiden, came to that planet to procure Starbuck's sperm, and that was her best effort at seduction... No, no, she was already pregnant.
Nevermind.
Nevermind.
Spoilers Batwoman - Season 1
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This is not true at all, they're not just swapping her out, it sounds like Ryan is going to be a very different character, with a different backstory, and she is probably going to have very different relationships with the rest of the characters.
If they were just "swapping her out", she'd just be some never before seen Kane sister, with an almost identical backstory to Kate. The fact that they seem to be going in a different direction with "Ryan" shows that they are doing more than just swapping Kate out for her.
When Ken Wahl left the brilliant and innovative cop series Wiseguy, they replaced him as the lead with an entirely new character played by a different actor. I was a fan of the show, and thought that the change worked really well. It gave the show a fresh new flavor, but still felt distinctly Wiseguy. The new guy, played by Steven Bauer, was integrated effectively into relationships with the show's existing characters, as well as bringing with him new characters and relationships of his own.
Mind you, the change did not save a show that was already on very thin ratings ice, and it was canceled shortly after. But the ratings demands of CBS were and are very different from The CW, and I personally doubt that recasting Wahl's original character would have made any difference to the show's longevity. I bring it up here only as an example of a similar situation that was, IMHO, entirely successful from a creative standpoint.
Mind you, the change did not save a show that was already on very thin ratings ice, and it was canceled shortly after. But the ratings demands of CBS were and are very different from The CW, and I personally doubt that recasting Wahl's original character would have made any difference to the show's longevity. I bring it up here only as an example of a similar situation that was, IMHO, entirely successful from a creative standpoint.
SeaQuest DSV and Viper.
Does any one remember "Doctor Who"?
It used to be popular a wee while back.
Does any one remember "Doctor Who"?
It used to be popular a wee while back.
A new character/actress will be a reason for me to resample the show. I was incredibly underwhelmed by what I saw in the first season.
You take this way too seriously.
You take this way too seriously.
Kate was bland.
The Bat is a straightperson... Wow, that came out badly.
The straight man, in comedy is the person who takes things seriously, opposed to the Joker who finds it funny to melt faces off.
The male audience, straight and gay, as long as Ryan has the same coloured hair, is not going to notice a difference. Nothing sexual, just general male nonobservance.
The Bat is a straightperson... Wow, that came out badly.
The straight man, in comedy is the person who takes things seriously, opposed to the Joker who finds it funny to melt faces off.
The male audience, straight and gay, as long as Ryan has the same coloured hair, is not going to notice a difference. Nothing sexual, just general male nonobservance.
It's just a stray thought, but is Batwoman still set to go to HBO Max and no other streaming service? Does anyone know why that is, since the other Arrowverse shows are available on Netflix? Is it possible that's some kind of reason why Dries is going with a new character?
The other shows made their deals with Netflix before HBO Max was created. Warner Bros. owns HBO Max and presumably wants to put its own shows there, but Netflix's rights to the other shows haven't run out yet, so BW's the only one they could do it with so far.
Seems unlikely. Maybe doing something bold to attract attention to the show was a consideration, but it would've been one of many factors that went into their decision about whether such a change could work.
Netflix no longer has an active agreement with The CW; those CW series that were on the service previously remain there as long as they're airing new episodes because of a grandfather clause that keeps their status quo unchanged.
Viper is rare example of the original lead leaving after the first season. Replaced by completely new character in season 2 and 3 but returning to replace his own replacement for the 4th and final season.
Best solution would be to leave Kat Kane’s current location and status a mystery like her cousin Bruce Wayne. So the door is open for Ruby to return as the character. Even as a guest appearance or more. Once emotions have settled down.
Well, Viper is a different matter, because it's essentially two different shows. It ran for one season on NBC, was cancelled, and was then revived two years later in syndication with a different creative team. I gave up quickly on the syndicated version, because it wasn't as good and because I objected to it on principle. The original version had the title car's creator (Dorian Harewood) refuse to equip the car with lethal weapons on moral grounds, but the syndicated version tossed that out and was heavy on the lethal gunplay. So I never knew that the original lead came back in the final season.
Earth: Final Conflict replaced its lead twice. Kevin Kilner was clumsily killed off at the end of season 1, and rather than promoting the female lead (Lisa Howard) to the main role as she deserved, they brought in a new male lead, Robert Leeshock, in the stupidest way imaginable (his character was a half-alien hybrid who grew from newborn to adult in less than a minute). He was the lead for three seasons, and when he left, they actually did promote the replacement female lead (Jayne Heitemeyer) to the starring role for the final year.
Replacement character killed Lethal Weapon.
I have vague memories of Viper. Never really watched it much. Two things I recall it was produced by Danny Bilson and Paul De Meo. So some of their regular actors like Tim Thomerson guest stared. Plus that original lead James McCaffery was brought back in final season. That just stood out in my memory because it is so rare.
I looked that up today. Apparently his replacement was very difficult to work with and fired. So Bilson and De Meo convinced him to return. Surprised to learn that Dorian Harewood also returned for 3 guest appearances throughout that last season. I am curious if they addressed his character’s aversion to lethal weapons.
FYI Not sure if you are aware Spike Lee’s next film started as Bilson, De Meo spec script. “Da 5 Bloods” debuts this week on Netflix. They wrote it more as just a conventional adventure of former Vietnam Vets Returning to look for treasure. Spike has made the characters African American and deepened the themes and issues . Danny is very excited that one of that last things him and Paul worked on together lead to this surprise collaboration. Spike has praised both as the originators of the basic idea too.
I looked that up today. Apparently his replacement was very difficult to work with and fired. So Bilson and De Meo convinced him to return. Surprised to learn that Dorian Harewood also returned for 3 guest appearances throughout that last season. I am curious if they addressed his character’s aversion to lethal weapons.
FYI Not sure if you are aware Spike Lee’s next film started as Bilson, De Meo spec script. “Da 5 Bloods” debuts this week on Netflix. They wrote it more as just a conventional adventure of former Vietnam Vets Returning to look for treasure. Spike has made the characters African American and deepened the themes and issues . Danny is very excited that one of that last things him and Paul worked on together lead to this surprise collaboration. Spike has praised both as the originators of the basic idea too.
Someone in this thread is desperately going overboard to protect the idiotic decisions of the showrunners.Yeah, shocker. They screwed up; Rose was the actress who made the role her own; the series' reason to be was structured around / based on her character and now she's gone, with the sketchy comments from the showrunners generating nothing except suspicion about the nature of Rose's departure.
Now, to respond to a rational post:
Exactly. There is no mystery or creative "logic" to this situation that the poor 'lil audience members just cannot understand (and he assumes he knows the relevant experiences of others on this board, which leads him to post that crap). The people behind the Arrowverse have made bad decisions time and again, and this latest attempt to save face for their assbrained firing/release/separation from Rose is yet another example of it, and in no surprise at all, the few fans of this series are not buying their BS.
Now, to respond to a rational post:
Exactly. There is no mystery or creative "logic" to this situation that the poor 'lil audience members just cannot understand (and he assumes he knows the relevant experiences of others on this board, which leads him to post that crap). The people behind the Arrowverse have made bad decisions time and again, and this latest attempt to save face for their assbrained firing/release/separation from Rose is yet another example of it, and in no surprise at all, the few fans of this series are not buying their BS.
Probably.
For an inshow explanation. What if the reason for a new Batwoman is because Kate Kane dealt with the Joker? and lost to him?
He's the ultimate villain of Batman and Kate Kane dies in the line of duty.
He's the ultimate villain of Batman and Kate Kane dies in the line of duty.
I don't think it would be very satisfying to have Kate get fridged off screen. I think they implied that Batman finished off the Joker in Batwoman so that would be messy too. It would be kind of interesting if Harley came to finish the deed on Kate for revenge though that sounds like a potential later season had Kate stuck around.
EDIT: It occurs to me that it wouldn't have to be off-screen necessarily if we see it happen to the character in costume. It would admittedly allow for a transition of the character though I'm still not sure about that approach.
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As I've said, I'm hoping part of the reason for the new lead is that it leaves the door open for Ruby Rose to return, which a recasting would preclude. Killing Kate off would also preclude it -- well, unless Nyssa, Thea, and Roy missed a Lazarus Pit or two when they destroyed the rest.
Then they do have an active agreement for the shows they already have the rights to.