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Spoilers Batwoman - Season 1

JD said:
OK, so I haven't seen the latest episode, but I have seen the one before it and I'm really confused. I don't understand why Beth and Kate were dying when we've seen tons of dopplegangers of the same people together and on The Flash all repeatedly, and we even just had the whole episode with all of the different Brainys on Supergirl just a week or two before this one aired.
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It's an inconsistency they haven't bothered to explain. For what it's worth, it took a while for Beth and Alice's symptoms to kick in, and the Brainiac-5s had all been killed off or coalesced into one by then. Though that still leaves the fate of the duplicate Als and the other patrons at Al's Bar unresolved.
 
theenglish said:
Well, it wouldn't be a true COIE with all kinds of uncoordinated story elements between series, would it?
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This is why I never wanted them to do Crisis. I was afraid it would only create more continuity problems than it solved, and so far that seems to be the case. None of the shows are really using the merged-Earth premise except to make tweaks to their own individual continuities and characters; cross-references between different shows are only superficial. This is especially problematical on Black Lightning, where they're basically ignoring Crisis aside from a couple of passing mentions. It's frustrating to see BL dealing with Freeland literally being invaded by an enemy nation and not calling on his new Justice League friends to help out. Maybe Jefferson doesn't know most of them well enough to really trust them yet, but given how he bonded with the Flash, it's incongruous that he doesn't reach out to him at least.
 
Christopher said:
It's frustrating to see BL dealing with Freeland literally being invaded by an enemy nation and not calling on his new Justice League friends to help out.
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In-universe explanation: The "government" is in charge of the Freeland situation. Since they are dealing with metahumans, those in charge don't want to bring even more metas into the mix, so, a "no Super Friends" zone was ordered.
 
Henoch said:
In-universe explanation: The "government" is in charge of the Freeland situation. Since they are dealing with metahumans, those in charge don't want to bring even more metas into the mix, so, a "no Super Friends" zone was ordered.
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I doubt they could keep out the Flash or one of the Supercousins if they were determined to come to their new teammate's aid. Besides, a no-metas rule shouldn't apply to aliens.
 
Christopher said:
This is why I never wanted them to do Crisis. I was afraid it would only create more continuity problems than it solved, and so far that seems to be the case. None of the shows are really using the merged-Earth premise except to make tweaks to their own individual continuities and characters; cross-references between different shows are only superficial. This is especially problematical on Black Lightning, where they're basically ignoring Crisis aside from a couple of passing mentions. It's frustrating to see BL dealing with Freeland literally being invaded by an enemy nation and not calling on his new Justice League friends to help out. Maybe Jefferson doesn't know most of them well enough to really trust them yet, but given how he bonded with the Flash, it's incongruous that he doesn't reach out to him at least.
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I didn't mind the idea of them doing Crisis, but I was really hoping they wouldn't actually merge the Earths. It really wasn't necessary for the shows since they already had Vibe and his tech for crossing Earths easily, and I was afraid it was going to screw things up, which is exactly what it's done.
 
JD said:
I didn't mind the idea of them doing Crisis, but I was really hoping they wouldn't actually merge the Earths. It really wasn't necessary for the shows since they already had Vibe and his tech for crossing Earths easily, and I was afraid it was going to screw things up, which is exactly what it's done.
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Yeah, that's what I meant -- I misspoke. I was hoping for a Crisis that would end with the Multiverse put back more or less the way it had been before.
 
Batwoman
Season 1 - Episode 14 - "Grinning from Ear to Ear"

Kate/BW: If this series has a mission to play things as serious as possible, her pursuit of Sophie should come at a dark cost--just as Luke warned. I say this because I can see Kate going back on her little speech to Sophie.

Luke: "You realize the moment anyone learns Batwoman cares about Sophie, it puts a target on her back. She becomes a liability."
Kate: "Nobody needs to find out."
Luke: "Doesn't mean they won't, Kate."

YESx1000. The time-honored reason no superhero should have civilians in on their secret, or let anyone know he/she has a connection to the superhero.

Alice / Mouse: The psychiatrist was right about her being reduced to a child in her relationship to Mouse's father.

Jacob: Things are going to get complicated the moment Jacob might end up aiding the man who murdered his father. Complicated as in conflict between Luke and Kate. The corruption in his own back yard is intriguing. Hopefully it becomes a major part of the remainder of this season.

Sophie: Still riding the adultery train (she is still officially married to Tyler), crapping on the husband she deceived (wasting his life / emotional investment / dedication) for Kate. As noted last week, this makes both characters incredibly unethical.
...and with her glee while on the Batwoman-cycle, she's was reduced to a silly fangirl with a crush.

"I have some things to straighten out" Sure.

Duela Dent: Mutilating influencers for some convoluted act of "revenge" against a surgery she did not/could not give consent for / what their looks/status represent is...just plain stupid. The kind of villainess who deserves no sympathy whatsoever.

She has no fight training at all (cutting faces is not a fight skill), so Sophie should have finished her inside of two strikes.

Alice skinning her face was rather predictable--how else would she catch Ethan off guard than show up as one of his patients?

Mary: Where's Alice when you need her...

NOTES: As pointed out in the Sophie entry, Kate is just as bad--predatory, and does not give a damn about what kind of drama this would cause in the lives of Sophie or her estranged husband. It's all about her getting what she wants when she wants it no matter the cost. Again, predatory behavior.

Jeryl Prescott (Sophie's mother) might be best known to fantasy fans as Jacqui, who was a part of The Walking Dead's first season.

GRADE: B
 
So we get a dark and twisted version of Duela Dent, who was "the Joker's Daughter" in Silver Age comics before eventually turning out to be Two-Face's daughter, after going through imitations of several other Batman villains she claimed to be the daughter of. She eventually became a good guy back then, though I don't know about her current comics incarnation. Here they were playing up the Joker connection with the Heath Ledger-style facial scarring, and the face removal thing at the end (tying into something from the comics a few years back where the Joker cut off and wore his own face or something icky like that).

It's kind of ridiculous how easy it was for Alice to pass as Duela by -- eww -- wearing her face, and how easy it was to peel off the Dr. Campbell face from Cartwright at the end. Making convincing skin masks was asserted in previous episodes to be a very intricate, advanced technique, not simply a do-it-yourself thing you could whip together on the fly.

I loved Mary trying to audition for Kate's sidekick without letting on that she knew. I really hope Kate lets her in soon, because she would be a great addition to the team, and this stepsister-angst thing has run its course. Plus I want to see her in some sort of superhero costume. I think she's a version of the Mary Elizabeth (Bette) Kane who goes by Hawkfire in the current comics and was Flamebird in an earlier continuity. Of the two, I think Flamebird sounds better.
 
I rather enjoyed them hedging on the way Luke talked about Harvey Dent, the Famous DA, in a sarcastic tone that could be read as him being more famous as the gimmick-gangster Two-Face, or him just being an actual DA who happens to have an Unfortunate Relative, depending on what they go with later on.

Also liked seeing Alessandra Torresani (late of Caprica, among others) again as Duela Dent (a character, I admit, I only know from the cosplay meme). Between her and Willie Garson (Martin Lloyd in Stargate SG-1's 100th and 200th episode specials) on Supergirl, I was having some serious Sci-Fi Friday flashbacks with this week's episodes.
 
This may sound weird but I both dislike and approve of the new cowl design.
On the one hand exposing the neck like that serves exactly zero practical purpose and (assuming the material was the same carbon nano-whatever the rest of the suit is made from) is just asking for a slit and/gunshot throat.
However, it does cut a decidedly more feminine line which oddly helps to camouflage Kate since it's a full 180 from her usual more severe tomboyish look.

So yeah, rather ambivalent about that one. On balance though, I preferred it the other way since a batcowl with an open neck just looks...wrong.

Anyone else suspect the actual murderer of Lucius Fox might be the reason Bruce took off? Assuming the timing lines up...
David cgc said:
I rather enjoyed them hedging on the way Luke talked about Harvey Dent, the Famous DA, in a sarcastic tone that could be read as him being more famous as the gimmick-gangster Two-Face, or him just being an actual DA who happens to have an Unfortunate Relative, depending on what they go with later on.
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Or option C: as in the Nolan films, the identity of Two Face wasn't made public. One might think it'd be in the bat computer archives, but it occurred to me I don't think there's been any mention of old case files. More evidence that this cave is just a satellite cave under Wayne Tower, and the main one is still just gathering dust and bat guano under Wayne Mannor.
 
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I agree with @Reverend about the neck exposure. Not good from a tactical standpoint. If there's health and safety issues in terms of Rose performing the role in costume post-surgery, though...?

(Pure speculation on my part here. No information either way to guide me.)
 
Samurai8472 said:
Well initially the adhesive in the mask caused Rose to break out into hives. Turns out she was allergic to it.
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I hear a lot of stories about actors having allergic reactions to adhesives for prosthetic makeup and the like. I'm surprised the industry hasn't invented a more hypoallergenic kind of adhesive by now.
 
Oh. Hell. My empathy to Rose on that issue.

I hope the chemistry trade will have time to devise a better solution for such adhesives in this current pandemic situation.
 
https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/01/ruby...ilm-allergic-reaction-batwoman-mask-10839077/

Chatting with Jimmy Fallon, the actress said: ‘I was allergic to my cowl, my mask. I was allergic to the adhesive tape so I had hives for awhile. ‘About five or six days in it was like I was a pre-Proactiv 15 year-old child an then when I took it off I was like something out of a horror film.’ She laughed: ‘We had to take everything out of it and put something else like cotton in there.’
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