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Spoilers Batwoman - Season 1

Turtletrekker said:
We saw that there was an "O. Cobblepot" imprisoned at Arkham in the Elseworlds crossover. I suppose we'll just have to take all the names we saw on the cell doors in Arkham as fun little Easter eggs rather than statements of canon.
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No need for that. Cobblepot's mayorship was in the past, and relatively brief judging from Luke's lines; the current Gotham City mayor is Michael Akins. I'd assume Pengy was mayor for a time, then was brought down (no doubt by Batman) and ended up in Arkham.


Noname Given said:
Hell, wouldn't the fire also use up the Oxygen too?
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Well, the mix was 6% HCN, and the atmosphere is about 20% oxygen, so I'd assume the majority of the oxygen would still be left over once the HCN was expended. And the courtroom was locked down, not necessarily airtight.
 
Am I crazy or is the fight staging and choreography on this show really *really* bad? I don't know if it's the stunt team themselves, the directors or the editors, but the end result is pretty weak.
I mean sure, some of it is because Kate is new at this and makes rookie mistakes (I mean since when does any of the Bat family enter a situation on the ground floor, let alone allow a glorified rent-a-cop sneak up on them?) but some of these fight scenes just have no energy or intensity at all.

Oh and guys, of course "Mayor Cobblepot" was Oswald. Don't be dense.
This is a post-Batman Gotham where most if not all of his rogue's gallery have already been and gone, one way or another. Robin and Alfred are gone, Oracle may or may not have already been a thing, Lucius Fox is dead, and apparently this guy is the GCPD commissioner instead of Jim Gordon (kinda bummed it's not "Commissioner Montoya" btw.)
So yeah, the story where Penguin got elected Mayor is probably a thing that happened. So probably is the one with the smiling fish, 'Knighfall', and I suspect 'A Death in the Family' and/or 'The Killing Joke'.

P.S. Can Kate find the keys to the Batwing already? Her ability to teleport around the city on foot is getting distracting. Yes, I know she had the bike, but I think the reason they don't show it anymore is because how obviously unbelievable it is on it's face that she'd make it more than two blocks without being spotted.
 
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I had actually forgotten that we've already met the current mayor of Gotham and misunderstood the "Mayor Cobblepot" reference as being current. So... Never mind.
 
I'm pleasantly surprised we're 6 episodes in and her identity still isn't known to half of Gotham (and the entire main cast). On that note, it would be neat to have a scene where her voice modulator fails and she starts talking in an over the top Australian accent to cover her voice :D
 
This has probably already been brought up, but I'm curious how the show is going to join up with CoIE. I mean at this point in the show, the Elseworlds crossover was just a few weeks, maybe a month ago, so they're about 9-10 months behind the other shows. Is there going to be a mid-season time skip, or is Kate getting pulled forward in time for some bizarre reason?
 
Reverend said:
Is there going to be a mid-season time skip, or is Kate getting pulled forward in time for some bizarre reason?
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Nobody knows, but I think the most likely option is neither of those.
The Crisis episode of Batwoman, like most crossover event episodes so far is an episode of Crisis first, and an episode of Batwoman mostly in name only for production purposes so it doesn't necessarily have to take place chronologically between episodes 8 and 10 if it doesn't fit what's happening on the show, and since it wouldn't make much sense to rush the show's plotline just for a minuscule benefit of lining up the timelines I hope they won't do that.
 
I think they're already jumping forward in time between episodes. I mean, two episodes ago, Jacob Kane was stabbed IIRC, but in this week's episode he was totally fine.
 
Yeah, they're jumping ahead weeks, not months. I think a few episodes back the specifically referenced the Arkham breakout being a week or two prior. Even if they're going at a very breezy fortnight an episode clip, they're still only a few months past Elseworlds at most.

Hell, even at the rate of one *month* per episode they'd still be half a year behind Flash & Arrow.
 
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Reverend said:
Yeah, they're jumping ahead weeks, not months. I this a few episodes back the specifically referenced the Arkham breakout being a week or two prior. Even if they're going at a very breezy fortnight an episode clip, they're still only a few months past Elseworlds at most.

Hell, even at the rate of one *month* per episode they'd still be half a year behind Flash & Arrow.
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They may wait until AFTER the CoIE to 'timesynch' the series as the CoIE will probably be a big reset of certain aspects of the Arrowverse itself. Elseworlds didn't seem to suffer much by just having Batwoman participate and not really showing much of what she was directly involved with on her Earth.

Unless Alice or others play a big part in CoIE, it could be the same thing in that she gets picked up by the other heroes - does what she needs to do story wise for the CoIE - and every show 'picks up the pices' and we find out how the Arrowmultiverse continuity was changed and every show picks up from that point forward.

But time will tell. Either tehy'll synch it up, or they won't.
 
Noname Given said:
They may wait until AFTER the CoIE to 'timesynch' the series as the CoIE will probably be a big reset of certain aspects of the Arrowverse itself.
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I'm still not ready to assume the show will do that just because the comics did. These big event adaptations in the Arrowverse and the MCU generally just take the name and a few broad concepts from the original and do their own thing with them. I mean, in the comics, Flashpoint was a full-scale universe reboot just like CoIE was, an excuse to erase everything and start over from scratch, but the Arrowverse version of Flashpoint only made a few small changes here and there.

Whatever they do, they will do it to serve the needs of the shows they make, not merely to copy a story from three decades ago. If there are changes they want to make for the sake of their own stories, e.g. bringing back dead characters, they'll probably take this opportunity to make them, as they did with Flashpoint. But they won't change anything they're satisfied with in their current storytelling.
 
Noname Given said:
They may wait until AFTER the CoIE to 'timesynch' the series as the CoIE will probably be a big reset of certain aspects of the Arrowverse itself. Elseworlds didn't seem to suffer much by just having Batwoman participate and not really showing much of what she was directly involved with on her Earth.

Unless Alice or others play a big part in CoIE, it could be the same thing in that she gets picked up by the other heroes - does what she needs to do story wise for the CoIE - and every show 'picks up the pices' and we find out how the Arrowmultiverse continuity was changed and every show picks up from that point forward.

But time will tell. Either tehy'll synch it up, or they won't.
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Normally I'd not give it second thought, but they've gone out of their way to make it clear where the Elseworlds episode falls in the continuity of the show, between the mention of the breakout and Kate setting up her real-estate venture. That pretty solidly ties the season proper to last year's crossover, which was filmed before they even made the pilot episode, so they knew going in what their timeline is going to be.

I'm just curious because at the pace the show is going a sudden 8-10 month jump would seem like an odd choice from a narrative standpoint...unless something *very* drastic happens right before the crossover.

I guess it's possible they could finish up the first chapter of the season's arc with Alice being locked up in Arkham or something (way too early to kill her off IMO) and then the CoiE episode picks up however many months later. Kind of a cheap way to skip over Kate learning the vigilante gig, and she'll still be the rookie of the group, but I guess it's kind of necessity with things happening so close together.
 
Reverend said:
I guess it's possible they could finish up the first chapter of the season's arc with Alice being locked up in Arkham or something (way too early to kill her off IMO) and then the CoiE episode picks up however many months later. Kind of a cheap way to skip over Kate learning the vigilante gig, and she'll still be the rookie of the group, but I guess it's kind of necessity with things happening so close together.
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...and that's something the series really needs to work on. She makes mistakes, and was rag-dolled around by the Executioner, so he came up short in that conflict, but the series needs to show her really learning what it means to put that costume on and attempt to assert herself in a world of uncommon threats believably--like Batman. .
 
This week's episode was my favorite since the pilot. I liked there being a detective story for Kate to work out, and the character dynamics remain extremely interesting.

I have three gripes. One, Kate fell for the ol' hear a vehicle coming, stand in front of the garage door, and just wait for the vehicle to crash through the door and hit you routine. I guess without it, she couldn't have gotten the partial plate imprint. Still things could have been tightened up to have caught her (and us) by surprise more. Good thing the Executioner stayed on his mission and didn't try to take her out right then.

Gripe two was that it was so dark that I couldn't make out exactly what happened during the last blow in the courtroom fight between Batwoman and the Executioner. Did she actually stop the ax he was swinging at her while she was on the floor by grabbing it?! If so, those must be great bat-gloves!

Gripe three would be: why didn't Kate get herself a gas mask, with a spare or two, given that she knew trap #3 was a freakin' gas chamber? She needs to come more prepared! :sigh:
 
CorporalCaptain said:
I have three gripes. One, Kate fell for the ol' hear a vehicle coming, stand in front of the garage door, and just wait for the vehicle to crash through the door and hit you routine. I guess without it, she couldn't have gotten the partial plate imprint. Still things could have been tightened up to have caught her (and us) by surprise more.
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She's a novice, so she should make mistakes and address them as she goes along.

Good thing the Executioner stayed on his mission and didn't try to take her out right then.
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Yes, because he had her number all along.

Gripe three would be: why didn't Kate get herself a gas mask, with a spare or two, given that she knew trap #3 was a freakin' gas chamber? She needs to come more prepared! :sigh:
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Some might chalk that up to it being a rookie move, but the series needed the tension/argument between Jacob and BW as they faced death, so he could not have an advantage like a gas mask. But, in universe, Luke can refer to the necessity of carrying one from this time forward.
 
They're taking neighbourhood names from comics and movies alike. Burnside, West Harlow, Robinson Park...
 
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