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BATTLESTAR GALACTICA (1978) - Ship Of The Week #8 1/9/2015

Battlestar Galactica (1978)

  • Awesome!

    Votes: 41 80.4%
  • Rubbish!

    Votes: 2 3.9%
  • Meh...

    Votes: 8 15.7%

  • Total voters
    51
Why this thread is in "TV & Media" forum...?


I'm guessing because it is open to all ships that appear in TV shows not just those appearing in so for example the HMS Indefatigable from the Hornblower series could appear as a ship of the week.
 
The thing is the old series had about the same amount of dark elements (though often conveyed in dialogue rather than shown) but somehow still managed to show that there's still hope and that the colonists can come through their troubles. The new one made you question if it was even worth trying to survive for them.

To me the original never really converyed the darkness that would follow a civilisation beng wiped out.

Other than the pilot, we never saw conditions for those outside the Military and not living aboard the Galactica.

Never saw the struggles having to deal with food and fuel shortages, loss of ships etc.

Though I will concede some of that might well have been due to budget constraints and the era in which it was made.

Some of it was probably budget related, but these problems weren't entirely ignored after the pilot. "The Magnificent Warriors" (ep 10) had a Cylon raid destroying virtually all of the fleet's food stores (they have three such ships, and lose two of them), forcing the Galactica's crew to barter for new seed on a nearby planet. In "War of the Gods" Count Iblis was able to convince a lot of civilians he was on their side by providing a bounty of food, which is said to be in rationed supplies under the best of conditions. "Take the Celestra" dealt with a mutiny aboard a fleet ship based on one of the senior officers imposing harsh conditions on the crew, actually a ruse to help him steal command of the ship by putting the blame on its commander.
 
And in "Murder on the Rising Star", we see a large amount of civilian population and the struggles they endured to escape the Colonies on a ship the day of the Holocaust, including lying, cowardice and bribery. Even the vaunted Colonial Warriors were in collusion for some of the back-stabbing that went on during that time. We also saw our first real glimpse at the Colonial judicial system in action, albeit somewhat militaristic in nature, admittedly.

In "The Man With Nine Lives", we saw the introduction of other Colonial civilians on the Canaris Shuttle including Starbuck's father (which I think was Fred Astaire's last TV appearance that wasn't some kind of variety or talk show), as well as the supremely cool and enigmatic Borellian Nomen, a non-human/humanoid race of beings with their own unique warrior culture bound by particular precepts of honor, weapons and physiological traits (which I am still convinced led to the inspiration and development of the post-TOS Star Trek Klingon that we all know today).

They were certainly making several attempts to show what was going on in the rest of the fleet, but like Unicron said, there were probably budgetary considerations to take into account, particularly when it came to hiring a bunch of extras outside the main cast to adequately convey that depth of culture. With what little they had to work with back then from the close-minded stuffed-shirts at ABC, I think they did quite an admirable job of it.
 
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Also, that shot looks more like the recent CGI redo we had in another thread here, more than it does from the old 1978 shots. I looked, but can't find it now.

Think there's a subtle difference in the lettering.

Star destroyers, maybe, too.
Not carriers. They didn't even exhibit the ability to deploy fighters until ESB, in 1980, two years after Galactica demonstrated the ability.
Yeah, the dialogue in SW was sort of ambiguous on that:

Ben: "It's a short-range fighter."
Han: "There aren't any bases around here. Where'd it come from?"
Luke: "He must have gotten lost, been part of a convoy or something."

No doubt still trying to raise C. W. McCall on his CB.


Anyway, the show never was what it could have been. For those not in the know, it was intended to be a miniseries or series of TV movies, but ABC put in a series order while the initlal movie was shooting and decided to air the show during the Family Hour, so a lot of the more adult content got removed, including a whole subplot about Serina dying of "pluton poisoning". So what we got was a kiddie friendly series.
And therefore the Cylons had to be changed from armored reptilian beings to androids, because there were limits on how many people (broadly interpreted) could be killed in that time slot, but no limits on robots.

I like what we ended up with, for all its flaws. One of my favorite TV shows, dripping with creativity and imagination.
 
That was interesting to know, thanks. And I suppose that's why the hooker with the heart of gold became the nurse with no skin showing below the neck?

Cassiopeia (Laurette Spang) was the socialator who became the medtech. Serina (Jane Seymour) was Boxey's mother, and was suddenly killed by a Cylon on Kobol.

Right, I was just speculating whether the family-friendly directive was why Cassiopeia's past was dropped. People who remembered her background from the pilot might have wondered just what kind of relationship she'd had with Commander Cain. Did he have "one in every port" or what?

There is, that's why I think it's one of the redo shots.

Yeah, I looked into it a little further and it appears that the tube openings were originally just black circles.
 
Right, I was just speculating whether the family-friendly directive was why Cassiopeia's past was dropped.

Oh, I see what you meant. You were wondering whether the family-friendly directive had influenced the development of both characters, whereas I had erroneously assumed that you had, in addition to wondering about family-friendliness, conflated the two characters and thought that instead of dying she had become a nurse.
 
Well, actually Cassiopeia was originally supposed to die in the pilot. Allegedly it was misgivings about Maren Jensen's acting ability that led them to shoot a sequence where Starbuck rescues Cassiopeia from the Ovions, thus making her a running character.

There was a deleted scene in Lost Planet of the Gods where Cassiopeia had a short discussion with Apollo about starting her life over as a med-tech.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzaHsvZQzZg[/yt]
 
Well, actually Cassiopeia was originally supposed to die in the pilot. Allegedly it was misgivings about Maren Jensen's acting ability that led them to shoot a sequence where Starbuck rescues Cassiopeia from the Ovions, thus making her a running character.
See, this is another reason why I misinterpreted what J.T.B. wrote: part of me just knew that Cassie was ripe to be dead meat, I've no doubt because of her past.

But I didn't know in fact that Cassie originally had a different fate. That makes three now: Baltar, Serina, and Cassiopeia. Are there any others? :)

If I'd read the whole Battlestar Wiki page on Cassiopeia that I'd cited upthread, then I would have found this:

Although the character of Cassiopeia was supposed to be "eaten" by the carnivorous Ovions of Carillon in the premiere, producers decided to retain Laurette Spang for the series, partially to help Maren Jensen (Athena), who was struggling with her acting talent, providing Spang with a steady job (at least for a yahren) as a Galactica medtech.

Regarding the issues with Maren Jensen, I've heard that the root causes of her issues on the show were medical, and that it wasn't well understood at the time.

Here's an account by James Flagler, president of the Maren Jensen Fan Club, according to this web page ("What in the world ever happened to Maren Jensen?"):

"Maren's time on Battlestar Galactica was reduced, because she was not an established actress and was in an adjustment period, going from model to actress, and at times, her acting was sub-par according to Glen A Larson, the producer of the show," Flagler said. He went on to mention that Maren and Glen clashed out in the open at times because he thought she was lazy because she did not know her lines but it was the fact, that Maren was already feeling the early effects of Epstein Barr Syndrome (which drains a person of their energy) making daily activities difficult.

There was a deleted scene in Lost Planet of the Gods where Cassiopeia had a short discussion with Apollo about starting her life over as a med-tech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzaHsvZQzZg
Wow, that would have been subtle! :lol:
 
In "The Man With Nine Lives", we saw the introduction of ... the supremely cool and enigmatic Borellian Nomen, a non-human/humanoid race of beings with their own unique warrior culture bound by particular precepts of honor, weapons and physiological traits (which I am still convinced led to the inspiration and development of the post-TOS Star Trek Klingon that we all know today).

Who were, in turn, the inspiration for the noticeably subpar Kazon on Voyager. Anyone who sees the casting connection will get a chuckle.
 
In "The Man With Nine Lives", we saw the introduction of ... the supremely cool and enigmatic Borellian Nomen, a non-human/humanoid race of beings with their own unique warrior culture bound by particular precepts of honor, weapons and physiological traits (which I am still convinced led to the inspiration and development of the post-TOS Star Trek Klingon that we all know today).

Who were, in turn, the inspiration for the noticeably subpar Kazon on Voyager. Anyone who sees the casting connection will get a chuckle.
I said he is young.
 
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