Spoilers Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Grading & Discussion

[theenglish]

I just rewatched this for the first time. It was much more enjoyable for me the second time. I think that most of my issues had to do with "expectations" as to how the movie should have been. The cuts and editing didn't seem so disjointed. That said, the movie didn't need that scene of all the other heroes that just dragged down the story. I also realized this time that Superman knows who Batman is and when he tell Batman that Martha is in trouble, he uses her name because he knows that will have an affect on Bruce Wayne.

 

[Mage]

That's the thing though. Snyder didn't get credit or applause for his allegory, allusion and symbolism. Most everything he put in BvS was overlooked/the audience just didn't get it. It's nearly been a year since BvS and it's only now being slightly reappraised by viewers. None of which will help the reputation it has now. Like they say, if you have to explain an art piece, song or joke to someone, than it's obvious that they missed the point and won't appreciate it.

I can only speak for myself, but I noticed a lot of the symbolism. It was just badly done.

 

[Anwar]

Snyder doesn't get credit for the allegory and symbolism because it's done in such a blatant and banal way...and that stuff doesn't work if the story isn't good to begin with.

 

[Trek Survivor]

Finally got around to seeing this (theatrical edition). Thought it was rather good! Very long though - I'm sure slightly better editing might have helped the movie a little bit.

Rated it B+

 

[Ovation]

Finally got around to seeing this (theatrical edition). Thought it was rather good! Very long though - I'm sure slightly better editing might have helped the movie a little bit.

Rated it B+

Though longer, the extended cut improves upon the editing (not always the case but it's clear the longer cut is what the director intended as his preferred version).

I gave the theatrical a B+ as well but upped it to an A with the longer cut.

 

[LJones41]

Snyder doesn't get credit for the allegory and symbolism because it's done in such a blatant and banal way...and that stuff doesn't work if the story isn't good to begin with.

Is this a fact or merely your opinion?

 

[Tosk]

It can be both.

 

[LJones41]

It can be both.

Oh, I see. I suspect it must be an opinion.

 

[JD]

I thought the writing in "Batman v. Superman" was pretty damn good, with the exception of the plot arc involving Batman and Lex Luthor. I thought that particular plot arc was a bit confusing. But I was a lot more impressed by the film and "Suicide Squad" than I was by any of the Marvel films of 2016. Hopefully, I'll enjoyed both DCEU and MCU's output in 2017.

Suicide Squad was easily the worst film I saw in 2016.

More impressive than Civil War? Madness.

Yeah, I was one of the biggest fans and defenders of Suicide Squad when it first came out, but even I can't say that it was better or "more impressive" than Civil War. As enjoyable as I found it, even I'll admit that SS had a lot of issues that Civil War definitely didn't.

 

[Anwar]

Thing about Suicide Squad is....even in the comics it was hard to really justify the team's existence. They've never been able to hold onto a book for very long.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

Certainly the line up of this Suicide Squad seems to be of dubious value. I mean, Diablo & Enchantress have incredible mystical powers, so trying to weaponize them makes sense. Deadshot, as an expert marksman of near superhuman accuracy, makes sense. Killer Croc is big & ugly, so was bound to get pigeonholed as the muscle of the group. Captain Boomerang seems to only be on this team because Waller is impressed by the fact that the Flash didn't kill him (which may speak more to the Flash's morality than to Boomerang's fighting prowess). Harley Quinn, however flexible & fearless, is also crazy and bound to draw out the Joker, making her more of a liability than an asset. Slipknot's usefulness sounds extremely situational but we'll never really know since they killed him so early on.

"I'm afraid I didn't see it because I wasn't looking."

Well, I thought he was talking about never considering he could be a target of such an attack which would put other people into danger. He was not aware of the level of hatred against him, and therefore he wasn't looking.

Interesting take. I didn't think about it in quite that way before. Still seems like the intent could have been clearer.

It never ceases to amuse me when people attempt to conflate allegory with insight when really, it's most often the mark of a decidedly banal storyteller.
Symbolism is all well and good, but unless it's actually saying something other than "hey look! this thing is like that other thing!" then there's really nothing of substance there.

Like the endless Superman=Jesus stuff that keeps getting dusted off with each subsequent film incarnation.

Animal Farm???

It can't be that obvious. I once had a substitute high school teacher insist that it was an allegory for Nazi Germany, not Soviet Russia.

 

[Reverend]

Like the endless Superman=Jesus stuff that keeps getting dusted off with each subsequent film incarnation.

I wouldn't mind so much but they keep equating him to the wrong biblical saviour. He's not Christ, he's Moses.

 

[N-121973]

I wouldn't mind so much but they keep equating him to the wrong biblical saviour. He's not Christ, he's Moses.

I couldn't let that go without this :

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[LJones41]

I wouldn't mind so much but they keep equating him to the wrong biblical saviour. He's not Christ, he's Moses.

Who is he supposed to be leading into the Promise Land?

 

[dahj]

Who is he supposed to be leading into the Promise Land?

Bottle city of Kandor?

 

[Set Harth]

Who is he supposed to be leading into the Promise Land?

Earthlings, apparently.

 

[Reverend]

Who is he supposed to be leading into the Promise Land?

Metaphorically speaking, the entire human race and he's to do it mostly by example. Just ask Jor El.
It's not used as often these days, but for years he was known as "The Man of Tomorrow" just as much as "The Man of Steel".

 

[Set Harth]

You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders.

 

[Tosk]

"They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show them the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you...my only son."

 

[LJones41]

Bottle city of Kandor?

Uh huh.