Spoilers Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Grading & Discussion

I just rewatched this for the first time. It was much more enjoyable for me the second time. I think that most of my issues had to do with "expectations" as to how the movie should have been. The cuts and editing didn't seem so disjointed. That said, the movie didn't need that scene of all the other heroes that just dragged down the story. I also realized this time that Superman knows who Batman is and when he tell Batman that Martha is in trouble, he uses her name because he knows that will have an affect on Bruce Wayne.

 

I can only speak for myself, but I noticed a lot of the symbolism. It was just badly done.

 

Snyder doesn't get credit for the allegory and symbolism because it's done in such a blatant and banal way...and that stuff doesn't work if the story isn't good to begin with.

 

Finally got around to seeing this (theatrical edition). Thought it was rather good! Very long though - I'm sure slightly better editing might have helped the movie a little bit.

Rated it B+

 

Though longer, the extended cut improves upon the editing (not always the case but it's clear the longer cut is what the director intended as his preferred version).

I gave the theatrical a B+ as well but upped it to an A with the longer cut.

 

Is this a fact or merely your opinion?

 

It can be both.

 

Oh, I see. I suspect it must be an opinion.

 

Yeah, I was one of the biggest fans and defenders of Suicide Squad when it first came out, but even I can't say that it was better or "more impressive" than Civil War. As enjoyable as I found it, even I'll admit that SS had a lot of issues that Civil War definitely didn't.

 

Thing about Suicide Squad is....even in the comics it was hard to really justify the team's existence. They've never been able to hold onto a book for very long.

 

Certainly the line up of this Suicide Squad seems to be of dubious value. I mean, Diablo & Enchantress have incredible mystical powers, so trying to weaponize them makes sense. Deadshot, as an expert marksman of near superhuman accuracy, makes sense. Killer Croc is big & ugly, so was bound to get pigeonholed as the muscle of the group. Captain Boomerang seems to only be on this team because Waller is impressed by the fact that the Flash didn't kill him (which may speak more to the Flash's morality than to Boomerang's fighting prowess). Harley Quinn, however flexible & fearless, is also crazy and bound to draw out the Joker, making her more of a liability than an asset. Slipknot's usefulness sounds extremely situational but we'll never really know since they killed him so early on.

Interesting take. I didn't think about it in quite that way before. Still seems like the intent could have been clearer.

Like the endless Superman=Jesus stuff that keeps getting dusted off with each subsequent film incarnation.

It can't be that obvious. I once had a substitute high school teacher insist that it was an allegory for Nazi Germany, not Soviet Russia.

 

I wouldn't mind so much but they keep equating him to the wrong biblical saviour. He's not Christ, he's Moses.

 

I couldn't let that go without this :

 

Who is he supposed to be leading into the Promise Land?

 

Bottle city of Kandor?

 

Earthlings, apparently.

 

Metaphorically speaking, the entire human race and he's to do it mostly by example. Just ask Jor El.
It's not used as often these days, but for years he was known as "The Man of Tomorrow" just as much as "The Man of Steel".

 

You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun, Kal. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders.

 

"They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show them the way. For this reason above all, their capacity for good, I have sent them you...my only son."

 

Uh huh.