Spoilers Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice - Grading & Discussion

[N-121973]

Why has Superman never interfered in Gotham in two years' time? Not with Batman, but with crime. If the crime rate is so bad and it's that close to Metropolis, why does he spend his time in Metropolis? Not that the distance matters much — he'll go to Mexico easily enough.

The flip side of that is what intrigues me. Given their proximity and the fact I doubt the likes of Joker, Penguin, Riddler, Catwoman and Two-Face are probably no respecters of city limits, nor for that matter is Batman himself, I assume the Caped Crusader and his rogues' gallery have been a much a part of the Metropolis crime scene as Gotham's.

 

[Theophilus]

Speaking of "What the hell is happening" in this movie, why is Superman towing that enormous, old ship out of the Artic? I don't think he's saving anyone because the ship is on its side and looks 50 years old. It's probably in there to showcase Superman's strength but my reaction was not "Wow, look how strong he is!" but "WTF is he doing?".

 

[Mr Light]

^^^
Letting some random dude in Gotham get gunned down while he's doing a publicity stunt

 

[dahj]

Speaking of "What the hell is happening" in this movie, why is Superman towing that enormous, old ship out of the Artic? I don't think he's saving anyone because the ship is on its side and looks 50 years old. It's probably in there to showcase Superman's strength but my reaction was not "Wow, look how strong he is!" but "WTF is he doing?".

There were people on top of it.

 

[Trek4Ever]

Finally got around to seeing it. And it's not the disaster some fanboys and critics are making it out to be. Sure the script is a sloppy mess but it had some truly great moments that if edited better would've resulted in a much better film. I actually found myself getting emotional about it towards the end and left me wanting to see more of this new DC film universe.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

I hadn't noticed the people on top of the boat, before @dodge said there were.

I've said from the night I saw it, that the biggest problem with the film is the editing. Now, even Jesse Eisenberg blames the editing as well. I should preface this by saying, at no point does Eisenberg say the film is a quote "failure". Click bait title.

http://www.inquisitr.com/3021838/jesse-eisenberg-blames-editing-for-batman-v-superman-failure/

 

[Theophilus]

There were people on top of it.

I hadn't noticed them! It looks like a military ship as well.

Wouldn't he want to get the people to safety before moving the ship? Seems pretty dangerous to have people stand on the side of a ship and then tow it.

I like this movie, but the showcase of Superman's strength the filmmakers were going for here just didn't work for me.

 

[Showdown]

Stop what plan? The missing checks/notes to Wayne weren't supposed to be a secret, he wanted Bruce to get those notes. It was only due to Wayne staffers not telling him that Bruce didn't see them until the proverbial last minute.

Lex's plan to to bomb the Senate, murder Senator Finch and lots of people, have everyone believe Keefe is the suicide bomber, and demoralize Superman; all while nobody suspects Lex is behind it. Yes, he did want Bruce to see them, but not too early. If Bruce saw those checks much earlier, he most likely try to get Keefe more help, financially help and therapy.

Why did he save Lois and leave everyone else to be killed? What a super man.

I think he got there too late and everyone else was killed before he arrived. We didn't see where he was during the attack. He could be in Metropolis and flew to Africa as fast as he could when he found out there was danger.

 

[Set Harth]

Finally got around to seeing it. And it's not the disaster some fanboys and critics are making it out to be.

Quelle surprise.

 

[Tosk]

Yes, he did want Bruce to see them, but not too early. If Bruce saw those checks much earlier, he most likely try to get Keefe more help, financially help and therapy.

If Lex truly wanted to control when Bruce saw the letters, how did he do so? WayneEnt had them the whole time.

I think he got there too late and everyone else was killed before he arrived.

I've only seen it once so my memory may be faulty on this, but I remember them shooting up everyone after Superman took the lead guy through a wall.

 

[Ovation]

Nope. I just saw it again a few days ago. Shooting starts, guy grabs Lois, shooting finishes, Lex's goons leave, Superman shows up.

 

[Tosk]

Fair 'nuff. Retracted.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I think I mentioned this earlier, but my theory is that as a loyal servant of Darkseid, Lex expects to become the ruler of Australia.

Lex isn't loyal to Darkseid, he was just hoping that Steppenwolf would take him on a magic carpet ride. Lex was born to be wild.

 

[Guy Gardener]

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Luthor wanted to see the big fight from his daddy's painting.

Angels vs Demons, God vs. the Devil.

He achieved his end game?

 

[Showdown]

If Lex truly wanted to control when Bruce saw the letters, how did he do so? WayneEnt had them the whole time.

Lex sent a newspaper clipping "You let your family die" written on them to Bruce, right when Keefe and Superman appeared at the Senate. Bruce then, and only then, start asking about Keefe's checks.

Edit: Also, the plan could still work if Bruce found out about the letters after the bombing.The timing may not too important. If he found out early on, Lex could change the plan. Bruce did not know after the first few checks, he may not look into it until its too late. Lex have over a year to plan.

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I love that skit.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

My guess is that he doesn't want to get involved in criminal cases unless he feels it is absolutely necessary because much of the world did not trust him. In fact, just showing up and saving Lois in Africa somehow lead people to blame him for the violence that happened near him.

The Africa controversy really confused me. What does everyone else think happened? That Superman shot a bunch of African mercenaries? Not exactly his style. And it sounded like there was some other stuff that happened off screen but it was all very confusing. If Lex's goons were trying to frame Superman, maybe they should have been using some prototype laser guns or something. But then Lois wouldn't have been able to find that mysterious bullet that led to her investigation subplot that went nowhere.

If Lex truly wanted to control when Bruce saw the letters, how did he do so? WayneEnt had them the whole time.

Maybe Lex has someone on the inside working in the Wayne Enterprises mail room?

 

[Ovation]

I had a bit of time and was prepared to write up a (probably overly) long piece on why I like what Snyder has done with Superman as a character--but then a friend sent me a link to this story, so I'll save myself the trouble and simply endorse pretty much everything in the article.

It won't likely change anyone's mind who's decided Snyder's take doesn't work but it raises a number of overlooked points and themes worth discussing.

 

[Showdown]

I had a bit of time and was prepared to write up a (probably overly) long piece on why I like what Snyder has done with Superman as a character--but then a friend sent me a link to this story, so I'll save myself the trouble and simply endorse pretty much everything in the article.

It won't likely change anyone's mind who's decided Snyder's take doesn't work but it raises a number of overlooked points and themes worth discussing.

Thanks for the link. That was a good read and I, too, agree with almost everything there.
Superman's greatest strength is his humanity.

 

[dahj]

The Africa controversy really confused me. What does everyone else think happened?

Up until then Superman has mainly been saving people from accidents and natural disasters and he didn't interfere in wars.

Lex made it look like he was involved in an armed conflict to get the government worried on what if he does start to interfere in such matters...

 

[Guy Gardener]

In the final days of World War Two, the Nazi's had orders to destroy anything useful, including prisoners, rather than let the allies get hold of reich resources, or "evidence". Saddam set fire to his own oil fields rather than letting the West take them from his dead rotting corpse. It's standard practice, to be an asshole, when you're losing a war, or being invaded.

It's possible Superman's arrival provoked a "Cleaning" Protocol as far as the newspapers were concerned, who didn't know that this was really a Luthorian plot.

If 500 tribal villages (slaves working poppy fields) are executed every time Superman tries to topple an African warlord, it's not going to be so long until Superman decides to stay the hell out of Africa because he's a pussy.