Bashir and Sarina; a lost Romance

[Rush Limborg]

And the third was with Ezri Dax. The resurrected form of the Dax symbiont. The same symbiont that lived in the woman whom he, like the total dork he is, pined for on-and-off for years.

It's like if someone you had a huge crush on rejected you, so you started banging her little sister instead. Personally, I think Ezri's tons cuter and more likeable, but it's still got to be an issue with them. He's got to ask "Why weren't you with me when you were her? Am I a second choice here?" and she's got to ask "Am I just second rate wish-fulfillment? Are you just corpsefucking Jadzia?" Personally, I wouldn't reckon it would last.

Then again, they got together by realizing they had the common trait of being bumbly dorks, so maybe they're soul mates. Who knows?

Actually, it was, supposedly, this question which tore them apart in the books. Of course, I think they love each other for each other, as their cameraderie is far different from Julian/Jadzia.

Mike and Andy, for an unfathomable reason, just split them apart out of the blue, and all that, without really acknowledging this....

Well, it's only a matter of time.


And yes--Ezri is TONS cuter, and a LOT more lovable.

Oh, and fun fact--it turns out Nicole de Boer was in the Kids in the Hall movie, Brain Candy. Only a few lines, but she is wicked hot. I'd forgotten she was Canadian.

...Uh...yeah, I agree, but...is there a distinguishing thing about Canadians, or something?

 

[Myasishchev]

^Well, they're like us... but different. At least according to John Hemmingway of the John Larroquette Show.

No, I'd just have been more surprised to see a random American TV actress in the KITH movie, or on the show. According to Wikipedia, Nicole de Boer also did occasional guest spots on the show. I don't recall her really, which is surprising in itself.

As for the relationship, it's interesting that that's how it played out in the books. It was sort of acknowledged in the show, but the end of the series made it so rushed that it's hard to blame 'em for failing to delve into it. Too bad Jadzia didn't eat it earlier in season 6. (Not a knock on Ms. Ferrell. Say what you will, but Becker was a good show.)

 

[Too Much Fun]

What is this episode everyone's talking about? I don't think I've seen it.

 

[Myasishchev]

"Chrysalis." I had a whole poll about it one time. I thought it was universally reviled, but it turns out that most people a)are pretty indifferent to it and b)don't like swear words and other language of bias in their poll choices.

Personally, I think it's one the best episodes of the series.

 

[Too Much Fun]

Yup, that's one of the ones I skipped when I was watching the series for the first time between 2008-2009. I asked the forum for opinions on which ones were essential viewing and I think it failed to garner the most votes. Now it sounds a little more worth seeking out as I like Bashir a lot.

 

[Myasishchev]

About halfway through is one of the most beautiful moments in all Trek.

 

[DevilEyes]

"Chrysalis." I had a whole poll about it one time. I thought it was universally reviled, but it turns out that most people a)are pretty indifferent to it and b)don't like swear words and other language of bias in their poll choices.

Personally, I think it's one the best episodes of the series.

Oh yes, this thread.

Personally, I like colorful language, but your poll options were too limited...

I loved Chrysalis, because I have a brain, a heart, and a dick
I found Chrysalis middling, because I am dead and hollow inside
I detested Chrysalis, because I actively hate life and all who live

which is why I didn't vote in it. I don't hate life, I am not hollow inside, I don't hate the episode, I like the episode, and I do have brain and heart, but I most definitely do not have a dick.

 

[Danoz]

Actually I thought this was one of DS9's better episodes in general. The scene when the four them harmonize in solfege brings tears to my eyes. It's also a great episode for Bashir, because it shows a level of emotional immaturity that he pushed to develop their relationship so quickly. The writing and acting of Sarina's character is also quite amazing, because her initial trust and sudden withdrawal would be a very natural psychological response for somebody in her situation.

GREAT episode-- I would have liked to see Bashir end up with an emotionally mature Sarina years later (DS9 relaunch, maybe?)

P.S. The relationship with Ezri was equally as immature and rushed-- not to mention a slap in the face to Worf.

 

[DonIago]

I really didn't care for it. While from a technical perspective the singing was kind of cool, that's not how I like my DS9, and as I mentioned earlier the Jack Pack in general just never grew on me. I also really didn't care to watch Bashir act like a jackass, and I keep thinking that if I'd been Sarina the first thing -I- would have wanted is about a week by myself to get used to my situation, not to be rushed right back in with a group of people with some significant issues. Probably would have made me catatonic all over again.

 

[Rush Limborg]

P.S. The relationship with Ezri was equally as immature and rushed-- not to mention a slap in the face to Worf.

A slap in the face for Worf?

I thought "Strange Bedfellows" made it clear that the only reason Worf fell for Ezri was because of Jadzia?

HE was the one who mistook Ezri for Jadzia's ghost, not JULIAN.

Julian even said--as far back as "Afterimage", "It's not the same woman!"

Look. If Worf has a problem with Ezri choosing Julian, he should get over it. As, I think, he did.

 

[DevilEyes]

I also really didn't care to watch Bashir act like a jackass, and I keep thinking that if I'd been Sarina the first thing -I- would have wanted is about a week by myself to get used to my situation, not to be rushed right back in with a group of people with some significant issues. Probably would have made me catatonic all over again.

Um, that was the point.

 

[Danoz]

P.S. The relationship with Ezri was equally as immature and rushed-- not to mention a slap in the face to Worf.

A slap in the face for Worf?

I thought "Strange Bedfellows" made it clear that the only reason Worf fell for Ezri was because of Jadzia?

HE was the one who mistook Ezri for Jadzia's ghost, not JULIAN.

Julian even said--as far back as "Afterimage", "It's not the same woman!"

Look. If Worf has a problem with Ezri choosing Julian, he should get over it. As, I think, he did.

Eh it was just weird. I hate love triangles in shows and the Ezri-Julian relationship is more annoying than the Paris-Torres relationship.

 

[DonIago]

I also really didn't care to watch Bashir act like a jackass, and I keep thinking that if I'd been Sarina the first thing -I- would have wanted is about a week by myself to get used to my situation, not to be rushed right back in with a group of people with some significant issues. Probably would have made me catatonic all over again.

Um, that was the point.

If that was the point, then it's pretty clear why I didn't care for the episode.

 

[Rush Limborg]

P.S. The relationship with Ezri was equally as immature and rushed-- not to mention a slap in the face to Worf.

A slap in the face for Worf?

I thought "Strange Bedfellows" made it clear that the only reason Worf fell for Ezri was because of Jadzia?

HE was the one who mistook Ezri for Jadzia's ghost, not JULIAN.

Julian even said--as far back as "Afterimage", "It's not the same woman!"

Look. If Worf has a problem with Ezri choosing Julian, he should get over it. As, I think, he did.

Eh it was just weird. I hate love triangles in shows and the Ezri-Julian relationship is more annoying than the Paris-Torres relationship.

Funny, most people seem to love triangles....

But anyhow, my point is Worf chased Ezri for all the wrong reasons. That Mike and Andy tried to explain away Julian's feelings as having exactly the same basis is...tacky, at best.

After all, both men faced her in totally different manners.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Funny, I thought Julian and Ezri was the most romantic and believable romance in all of Trek. In many ways I feel that Ezri's personality was gutted in Relaunch. I could understand the rationale.. she's joined and she's changing.. but she didn't change into anything interesting.

I thing the Sarina episode was great as it really showed the depth of some of Julian's juvenile-ness. He was cringe worthy AND real. Wow, finally, someone he did not feel alone with, at last he could stop hiding his mind and dumbing down in all those subtle ways.. and he let himself get carried away with that emotion.

OP I enjoyed the songs on your Myspace! Got any more Trek songs?

 

[Rush Limborg]

Funny, I thought Julian and Ezri was the most romantic and believable romance in all of Trek.

Agreed. The best of the best, in so many ways.

In many ways I feel that Ezri's personality was gutted in Relaunch. I could understand the rationale.. she's joined and she's changing.. but she didn't change into anything interesting.

Yup. They basically watered down her quality of vulnerability, took away her youthful enthusasm, and gutted her innocent sense of wonder towards life.

They made Ezri a stereotypical "confident cool girl", who allegedly doesn't "need" Julian anymore. She starts to see him as a wall, and--

(Naturally...my fanfic views this "growth" as not neccesarily a good thing. See "A Rendezvous With Destiny" in the fanfic forum--

Great. Shameless commercial. )

 

[Treker]

Great episode just watched it.

But as was told in the first episode the mutants got introduced she had a thing for Jack.

I think she felt she needed to stay with him and with her new ability to communicate with him maybe just maybe soften him up a bit.

Sarina <3 Jack, Mutant love.

 

[Anna Yolei]

I just watched it again, and I second the sentiments. Julian's relationship with Sarina teetered on the unethical. I think I noticed it more this time because one of the soaps I watch currently has a plot that's similar to this (Ie, the therapist engaged to her patient's object of obsession, which is even more WTF since said patient had plastic surgery to look like her!). It squicks me there, and it does here.

Regarding Ezri and Bashir, I've been re-watching the whole of season seven again, and initially I wasn't overly fond of the pairing. But now, I find they both have that adorkable quality that makes them perfect for one another. I don't get the sense that Bashir sees her as a replacement for Jadzia, although the relationship borders on the taboo that the Trill have on dating those one were once intimate with.

 

[Rush Limborg]

Regarding Ezri and Bashir, I've been re-watching the whole of season seven again, and initially I wasn't overly fond of the pairing. But now, I find they both have that adorkable quality that makes them perfect for one another. I don't get the sense that Bashir sees her as a replacement for Jadzia, although the relationship borders on the taboo that the Trill have on dating those one were once intimate with.

Not quite. Jadzia was never intimate with Bashir.

The taboo, as I understand it, is simply "You can't hook up with a lover from a previous life".

 

[Myasishchev]

I sort of wonder if that taboo even applied to aliens. I mean, it appeared to be part of the overall effort to prevent the creation of a Trill ruling class that would create permanent associations, transcending mortality. I forget if it was ever stated, but I'd reckon that there's a prohibition on passing down gut-slugs through family lines as well.

Outside of Trill society, when banging Klingons and humans and such, the taboo wouldn't serve much purpose (it might still be enforced, but it would be irrational).

(Of course, this sort of analysis might undermine the anti-discrimination, "plight of the homosexual" message of "Rejoined," since there actually are good, rational policy reasons behind the prohibition--then again, it's what we would also consider a liberty interest, like pursuing one's sexual orientation, so I suppose the message might remain intact.)