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I thought Julian Bashir was a white guy from the west end of London until I met his parents in DS9 season 5.

I just had a (racial profiling) revelation...

I know grandparents and recessive genes come into play which explains how Bill's fake kids where all over the place in The Cosby Show, but mum and dad Bashir were perhaps a touch too dark to have naturally produced a baby who could be that easily mistaken for a Caucasian...
Whut?
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I had the same reaction earlier today when I saw that picture, but this is still how I felt, and reacted to this reveal 30 years ago, which may have something to do with VHS picture quality and a 16 inch tv screen, or that I judged him by his Coronation Street accent, rather than what he actually looked like.

I was blindsided.
A lot of planets have a Coronation Street.
 
So? and most of Russia is in Asia.

You were the one who chose to set the terms by lumping Japan and the Philippines together based on their continent. So it logically follows that the answer to your question about what makes England and Egypt different, by the very standard you yourself defined, is that they're on different continents. It's arbitrary either way, but you don't get to claim an arbitrary standard is relevant in one case but irrelevant in another.


When it comes to African geography the Sahara is the most important feature restricting population movement. Egypt is on the Mediterranean.

The only reason Europeans want to think of Egyptians as "white" is because we wanted to claim the dawn of Western civilization as part of our own direct heritage instead of someone else's.
 
You were the one who chose to set the terms by lumping Japan and the Philippines together based on their continent.

I picked them because they are really far apart with a large stretch of ocean in between. Ancient people didn't have any idea where we would end up dividing continents on a map.

The only reason Europeans want to think of Egyptians as "white" is because we wanted to claim the dawn of Western civilization as part of our own direct heritage instead of someone else's.

That argument would have more weight if it weren't for that incident on twitter a decade ago where it had to be explained to many people that Rami Malek was Egyptan.
 
I picked them because they are really far apart with a large stretch of ocean in between. Ancient people didn't have any idea where we would end up dividing continents on a map.

The fact that it's arbitrary is my entire bloody point. You can't talk about whiteness as if it were some absolute, unvarying concept while simultaneously insisting an equally arbitrary category like "Asian" is meaningless.

That argument would have more weight if it weren't for that incident on twitter a decade ago where it had to be explained to many people that Rami Malek was Egyptan.

The fact that many Americans are embarrassingly ignorant about ethnic diversity is not a valid counterargument. Knowledge should override ignorance. The fact that so many people want it the other way around is why the world is such a mess these days.
 
You can't talk about whiteness as if it were some absolute, unvarying concept while simultaneously insisting an equally arbitrary category like "Asian" is meaningless.

I'm not the one trying to limit white to just pasty people. There are a handful of human phenotypes on this planet that were created by population genetic bottlenecks ages ago. The one we call white has been artificiallly narrowed for various biased reasons over the centuries. For some reason, people today seem to think that perpetuating the artifical racist definition of white is somehow not racist. it's mind boggling.
 
I'm not the one trying to limit white to just pasty people.

Neither am I. I'm saying the exact opposite, that it's an arbitrary category whose definition varies over time, and it's foolish to insist on an inflexible definition for it. If you haven't gotten that by now, then you're not even trying to listen to me and talking to you is a waste of time.
 
Neither am I. I'm saying the exact opposite, that it's an arbitrary category whose definition varies over time, and it's foolish to insist on an inflexible definition for it. If you haven't gotten that by now, then you're not even trying to listen to me and talking to you is a waste of time.

You're right, we clearly aren't getting what the other is trying to say. Lets just drop it.
 
With a name like "Rami Malek", what did they think he was? Scottish?
As a pasty white guy of European descent with little worldly experience, the only thing I can surmise from that name is "probably not of European origin." I couldn't even guess where he comes from.
 
I had the same reaction earlier today when I saw that picture, but this is still how I felt, and reacted to this reveal 30 years ago, which may have something to do with VHS picture quality and a 16 inch tv screen, or that I judged him by his Coronation Street accent, rather than what he actually looked like.

I watched a bit of a scene with Julian and his parents, and... Coronation Street accent? Working class Manchester? Julian's talking a posh RP, his mom's using a middle eastern accent, and his dad's using a more or less working class London accent, at least to my Canadian ears.
 
I watched a bit of a scene with Julian and his parents, and... Coronation Street accent? Working class Manchester? Julian's talking a posh RP, his mom's using a middle eastern accent, and his dad's using a more or less working class London accent, at least to my Canadian ears.

I'm not sure I've ever seen Alexander Siddig play a character with a working-class accent.
 
I watched a bit of a scene with Julian and his parents, and... Coronation Street accent? Working class Manchester? Julian's talking a posh RP, his mom's using a middle eastern accent, and his dad's using a more or less working class London accent, at least to my Canadian ears.
Coro = Tedious British Shit, because when I was growing up, it's what every old lady, including both my saintly grandmothers, were always watching like it was porn.

I have never in my life watched longer than a 3 minute block of that tired ass drivel, unless you count the crossover with Red Dwarf.
 
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It's possible that the pre-Islamic mythology of djinn was related to the Roman genii (plural of genius), guardian spirits or minor deities. I think the difference between a low-level deity in a polytheistic faith and a spirit, angel, or whatever in a monotheistic faith is largely a matter of nomenclature, but either way, it's not what modern Westerners usually mean by the word "god."

I would hope that when anyone talks about demigods, they'd understand that the cultural context in play is, by definition, not monotheistic. ;)

As for demigods, aren't most of them (in polytheistic mythology) born, often through an explicit sexual union? Whereas spirits/angels are either created through non-sexual acts, or spontaneously arise?



... Anyhow, when it comes to genies and sex, surely the definitive text on the matter, the TV show Weird Science, makes it clear that a genie such as Lisa can be as "fully functional" as she likes. :p
 
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