I find it a beautiful ship... uhm... saucer still but hope that will become more soon.
Banting Class Science Vessel: NCC-1921
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damnedest thing, my comp must have been performing some other background task, because my lag is gone. So I'm happy with this right now, but I think I'll try 60 next time.
In the mean time, here are a couple of more pics. I'll be smoothing out some hard edges, and some will remain.
In the mean time, here are a couple of more pics. I'll be smoothing out some hard edges, and some will remain.
damnedest thing, my comp must have been performing some other background task, because my lag is gone. So I'm happy with this right now, but I think I'll try 60 next time.
In the mean time, here are a couple of more pics. I'll be smoothing out some hard edges, and some will remain.
Looks very interesting I'm not sure if I like the wider midsection of the ship but you'll figure it out!
Can I download your models somewhere? Maybe at 3d Warehouse or at some other page?
Looking much better with the proper segmentation, and I have to say I'm surprised at how smooth it turned out with just 60 segments. When I do a large trek saucer I go for 140+ usually. The impulse crystal (?) at the rear of the mid body looks a tad small though.
This is looking great so far. Am I right in assuming this will be some kind of Oberth variant, or fill the same kind of mission profile?
damnedest thing, my comp must have been performing some other background task, because my lag is gone. So I'm happy with this right now, but I think I'll try 60 next time.
In the mean time, here are a couple of more pics. I'll be smoothing out some hard edges, and some will remain.
Looks very interesting I'm not sure if I like the wider midsection of the ship but you'll figure it out!
Can I download your models somewhere? Maybe at 3d Warehouse or at some other page?
I'll do the sketchup export share thingy when I complete the ships. This one is just flying towards completion compared to my last one.
140 would probably kill my computer. There's also a "smooth" feature in SU, so I'm going to play around with that and see what it does.
As for the impulse crystal, I think it's about 4 metres across... But ya, it is small. But it's a small ship. Maybe I'll try enlarging it to see how it looks.
Thank you. It is an Oberth variant. I've always liked the ship (but only if the lower hull was solely a sensor pod), and figured that it would be a nice little ship to play around with. The lines are simple, and it's small enough to get some decent detail in.
It is supposed to fill a small part of the UFP's large scientific and exploration mandate, but as it is a small ship, it's limited to go no further then 3 months from the nearest supply outpost/ starbase. It's not heavily armed either. I've always figured that for all the excitement we see in Trek, there's about 1000 times more non-eventful (hostile) trips that ships engage in.
A peek at the rough bridge. And a couple of other shots. I'm not too happy with the strut connecting the nacelles and I may change that. But it is sturdy and practical- it's just ugly.
Circle segmentation is dependant on how close you want to get with your renders. 60 is fine for most needs, but will start to show when pushing in for those closeups of windows on the rim.
Also, camera angle can reveal segmentation, so what looks fine in one view may look like crap in another. Which really sucks if you have gotten aways past making your initial hull piece, so make sure to try and move the camera around a bunch before you decide you are done with that piece.
Lastly, what may look good in Sketchup may render terribly, so don't wait till you finish your model before doing test renders. Render, and render often. Just use lower settings so you aren't waiting hours for each render.
Also, camera angle can reveal segmentation, so what looks fine in one view may look like crap in another. Which really sucks if you have gotten aways past making your initial hull piece, so make sure to try and move the camera around a bunch before you decide you are done with that piece.
Lastly, what may look good in Sketchup may render terribly, so don't wait till you finish your model before doing test renders. Render, and render often. Just use lower settings so you aren't waiting hours for each render.
A peek at the rough bridge. And a couple of other shots. I'm not too happy with the strut connecting the nacelles and I may change that. But it is sturdy and practical- it's just ugly.
I like it, I find it rather cute, myself.
looks Fugly to me, a squat little sucker, but then that's how it's meant to look. The Oberth class were not meant to be graceful warships, just purposeful little sensor platforms, and this is in the same vein. The nacelle struts look alright to me so far, there's not a lot you can do with them if you're going for the same basic layout as the Oberth.
Here’s the port shuttle deck. It has a workable space of 7 x 7 metres (5 metres high), or 22.96′ x 22.96′… The port shuttle deck has one shuttle. The starbord shuttle deck has 3 worker bees, and assorted EVA equipment. If required, the bees can be transported to the supply hold, freeing the deck for another shuttle.
Don't let the door size fool you. It's a fair size at 2m across at their widest. You can see the shuttle deck operations room on the second floor. And if I zoomed in, you'd see the curving corridor. I kind of like those lines on the inside, so I will "paint" them so that when I remove all vissible lines from the final product, I'll still have the detail I want inside.
Don't let the door size fool you. It's a fair size at 2m across at their widest. You can see the shuttle deck operations room on the second floor. And if I zoomed in, you'd see the curving corridor. I kind of like those lines on the inside, so I will "paint" them so that when I remove all vissible lines from the final product, I'll still have the detail I want inside.
Here’s the port shuttle deck. It has a workable space of 7 x 7 metres (5 metres high), or 22.96′ x 22.96′… The port shuttle deck has one shuttle. The starbord shuttle deck has 3 worker bees, and assorted EVA equipment. If required, the bees can be transported to the supply hold, freeing the deck for another shuttle.
Don't let the door size fool you. It's a fair size at 2m across at their widest. You can see the shuttle deck operations room on the second floor. And if I zoomed in, you'd see the curving corridor. I kind of like those lines on the inside, so I will "paint" them so that when I remove all vissible lines from the final product, I'll still have the detail I want inside.
What's the filesize of your model now?
In all honesty, 7 meters is way too small a workspace. Acording to DITL.org, the shuttle that is in use during this time period -the type 3- has a length of 8.43 meters. This means that you even can't fit one inside :s It has just enough space for shuttlepods, but I don't think you want to be dependent of those...
Actually, working on my own ship set in the late TMP era, I have to wonder: Are there shuttle pods in this time period pr did the tech only become available closer to tng's time period?
OH, and just re-read the history listed for the Banting class. If it proved to be a class with good longevity, why was it phased out after only about 15 years of service? That's quite short a time period. Heck, We have aircraft in the USAF almost 4 times that age.(B-52 bomber). A well designed starship is going to last in service at least 50 years in my opinion.
OH, and just re-read the history listed for the Banting class. If it proved to be a class with good longevity, why was it phased out after only about 15 years of service? That's quite short a time period. Heck, We have aircraft in the USAF almost 4 times that age.(B-52 bomber). A well designed starship is going to last in service at least 50 years in my opinion.
Aaaaaaaarg... I can't believe I was relying on my memory for the shuttle size...
That being said. I've done too much work to the internal shuttle deck space. I might be able to widen it along the curve of hull... A couple of metres maybe. The shuttle could three point turn in and out.
Or I can may a smaller shuttle. Though even a 6 metre shuttle isn't leaving a hell of a lot of space. I'm not working with much space to begin with.
OH I have it! I'll make it a through shuttle deck. The internal expenditure of space is justified due to the amount of scientific gear they carry. I'll place storage space just behind the shuttle deck, and that will facilitate ease of access! Got it. Thanks!
I know there's nothing cannon (no less then the ships we're making up), but they must have had smaller shuttle pods. The worker bees were tiny, and though I doubt they were built for atmospheric flight, it would seem odd to me that they could harness absurd amounts of energy, manipulate space, break down people into transmitable energy AND re-assemble them, and most of all have incredible anti-grav systems, yet with all that, not have a shuttle smaller then the Type 5 that can entre an atmosphere.
After BorgCat pointed out my oversight, my first thought was to create a shuttle- so why don't you do that? Nothing silly like Voyager and DS9 did (a shuttle taylored to look like the parent ship), but something TMPesgue.
As for the length of time in service. Putting politics aside, Starfleet felt that it wasn't practical to commit resources to two very similar vessels. The Oberth type was just a little more versatile then the Banting Class. After 28 years (2284 -2312) in service, simple accounting cast aside the Banting Class.
Phf- forget the B-52. In Canada, we supplement our 3 CF-18's with 215 Silver Darts (circa 1909)!
I want to work on the ship now, but I'm tired. Just spent 5 hours with my mother trying to buy her a car.
Tried.
Failed.
ugh.
How about the type-17?
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2559/4137814617_08fcf14725_o.jpg
That's the model I made of it a while ago, it's originally a Rick Sternbach design that was fleshed out by Reverend and that I turned into a 3D mesh. It's footprint is only 5.5m by 4.4m so it will fit with room to spare.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2559/4137814617_08fcf14725_o.jpg
That's the model I made of it a while ago, it's originally a Rick Sternbach design that was fleshed out by Reverend and that I turned into a 3D mesh. It's footprint is only 5.5m by 4.4m so it will fit with room to spare.
I like that. Clean, simple, and good looking. My only concern would be the time period. The nacelles are too TNG. But the hull is very type 6 cleaned up (but smaller). I may steal this design and throw on TOS movie shuttle nacelles.
I did however increase the length of the decks to 10 metres. I was stoked on the through bay, but there were too many corridors cut up, and two full decks of the forward saucer loose the ease of connectivity to the rest of the ship.
Though still not wide enough for a shuttle to turn around in side, they can back in or out if it's a larger shuttle. But a 5ish metre shuttle would be perfect.
The main deflector is actually attached to a swapable pod that I haven't attached yet. Unlike the Oberth, this one has more of a Enterprise like neck, and there is practical access to the pod.
In the mean time, here's the enlarged Shuttle bay. I've increased the length from 7m, to 10m.
Since I started on the shuttle Decks, I can't seem to stop working on deck 3. I've done the foward windows, and corridors.
Below. Looking forward from the centre axis of the saucer on deck 3. This area will contain a medical facility on one side of the corridor, and some science labs on the other.
Below: looking to the port quarter from the top of the port shuttle deck. Note that the outer curved corridor is NOT the outside skin of the ship.
It is a small ship. The turbo lifts (2) will go from the bridge, to the lower deck. A ride taking all of 5 seconds.
Below. Looking forward from the centre axis of the saucer on deck 3. This area will contain a medical facility on one side of the corridor, and some science labs on the other.
Below: looking to the port quarter from the top of the port shuttle deck. Note that the outer curved corridor is NOT the outside skin of the ship.
It is a small ship. The turbo lifts (2) will go from the bridge, to the lower deck. A ride taking all of 5 seconds.
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